Macho Again

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

lear's princess running in the bc distaff in the mud was an absolute disaster as well chuck

No mud this year

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I doubt the mud cost anyone a chance of winning a Breeders Cup race that day.

Curlin, Midnight Lute, Indian Blessing, War Pass would have won on anything dirt based.

So would Ginger Punch assuming she and Hystericalady had the same trips.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I thought he hung.

Just watched again, you right, he hung just a bit when he locked up with Bulls Bay but then regained himself

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

So would Ginger Punch assuming she and Hystericalady had the same trips.

Ugh... Bear Now giving Ginger Punch the rail still kills me to this day.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I doubt the mud cost anyone a chance of winning a Breeders Cup race that day.

Curlin, Midnight Lute, Indian Blessing, War Pass would have won on anything dirt based.

So would Ginger Punch assuming she and Hystericalady had the same trips.

drugs - the horse was hurt , he never even should have been entered , he wouldn't have beat a billy goat that day

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by boswd

Macho Again won me over, too bad about the BC being at Santa Anita again, because I think you're right about not seeing him on the fake stuff.

Hopefully the JCGC will be his BC Classic, ran a great race, especially giving 8 lbs., 1 1/4 should be up his ally.

On dirt I think he is the best older male in the country.

A great race? He should have blown her away, he is a hanging plodder.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by boswd

Just watched again, you right, he hung just a bit when he locked up with Bulls Bay but then regained himself

Maybe he is gay?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by gales0678

drugs - the horse was hurt , he never even should have been entered , he wouldn't have beat a billy goat that day

what horse was hurt?

[pick4]

It would be absurd not run in the Breeder's Cup Classic. He ran poor on polytrack in career start number two at Keeneland and the Lanes End early in his three year old year. All synthetics are not the same and he has everything to gain and not much to lose by running. He's owned by West Point and I can't see them keeping the horse in the barn the first Saturday in November.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by pick4

It would be absurd not run in the Breeder's Cup Classic.

Why, so he can run last at every call?

His surrounding dirt races were both 15 lengths better than his two synthetic races.

It's not like he was a bad horse when he tried synthetic and has since improved a ton. He's even MUCH worse than Pyro on it... if that's possible.

[CSC]

Anymore questions about the quality of last year's Travers? With Colonel John slated to run later today.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

Anymore questions about the quality of last year's Travers? With Colonel John slated to run later today.

I was perplexed by him being made the morning line favorite... I thought for sure that role went to Rail Trip.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I was perplexed by him being made the morning line favorite... I thought for sure that role went to Rail Trip.

I think Macho Again will eventually raise Rachel Alexandra's place in history. I'm starting to re-evaluate the quality of this Woodward field minus RA. I wasn't a huge fan of his coming into this but upon closer examination he has been a pretty good performer. That's the name of the game, as horseplayer's and fans we constantly adjust our opinions, those that don't or refuse to admit they can be wrong are not...

[CSC]

Originally Posted by CSC

Anymore questions about the quality of last year's Travers? With Colonel John slated to run later today.

BTW I was including Pyro, incase he was forgotten.

[Bobby Fischer]

keeneland poly, Turfway poly, and SA pro-ride aren't near the same surface.

there really isn't anything to learn about Macho Again(and SA pro-ride) from his previous synthetic tries.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

what horse was hurt?

lear's princess

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

keeneland poly, Turfway poly, and SA pro-ride aren't near the same surface.

there really isn't anything to learn about Macho Again(and SA pro-ride) from his previous synthetic tries.

I'd be willing to bet he'd stink on that one too.

Everyone acts like each rubber track is so different, when in reality they are all pretty similar. Sure, they are a little different, and depending on maintenance they can change dramatically, but you don't see a lot of horses running vastly different from one synthetic to another.

[RockHardTen1985]

I think Macho Again is horrible.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think Macho Again is horrible.

He's a solid 102-108ish Beyer horse... in today's world, that's good. The days of the 115 Beyer handicap division are gonesville.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

He's a solid 102-108ish Beyer horse... in today's world, that's good. The days of the 115 Beyer handicap division are gonesville.

I dont know Travis. I just dont see it, its like he falls into those numbers. He gets a pefect setup in The Whitney and clunks for second. I actually just watched the replay, he is making up no ground on Bullsbay. Then in the Woodward he is supposed to blow her away, and he just hangs. Maybe I dont give him any credit, but I think a handfull of the 3 yr olds are better as well as fillies like Zenyatta and Icon Project.