Stauffer's call of the 6th tonight.

[Duvalier]

Sounds to me like Stonegossard had a few losing tickets on the 6th at Hollywood. Get over it...seriously whining about an announcer's race calls. How many threads do you need to start on the subject?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Sounds to me like Stonegossard had a few losing tickets on the 6th at Hollywood. Get over it...seriously whining about an announcer's race calls. How many threads do you need to start on the subject?

I believe this is my first thread (maybe 2nd). Email your address, I will send you an abacus so you can keep count.


I didn't bet the race. I only bet dirt tracks and grass. Thanks for your concern though.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I believe this is my first thread (maybe 2nd). Email your address, I will send you an abacus so you can keep count.


I didn't bet the race. I only bet dirt tracks and grass. Thanks for your concern though.

BITE ME
©v j stauffer

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Vic,

Sorry... While everyone is entitled to the occasional outburst or angry reply, this a very disappointing response from an industry professional given the measured tone of Pete's original post. You are in a slightly awkward position holding book and calling, and acknowledging that there is a race where you occasionally cross the line is only going to win you the understanding of viewers. The above is an Albert Belle-esque antic, and only demonstrates that you recognize you were overly cognizant of Rosario's spot in the race.

Really?

Am I the only one here that didn't take Vic's response seriously?

While the original post may have been "measured", it was completely over the top and put forth with the intent to elicit a response from Vic. He got one. I laughed. Apparently you, and others, don't see it that way.

Let's not forget where we are. Vic didn't say bite me in Bloodhorse or on TVG/HRTV, he said it on an internet message board.

I'd prefer to see honesty and emotion here from our "industry professionals", rather than the company line.

[Duvalier]

^^^^

What Bigs said.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Fireworks on the 3rd of July......I love it!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Really?

Am I the only one here that didn't take Vic's response seriously?

While the original post may have been "measured", it was completely over the top and put forth with the intent to elicit a response from Vic. He got one. I laughed. Apparently you, and others, don't see it that way.

Let's not forget where we are. Vic didn't say bite me in Bloodhorse or on TVG/HRTV, he said it on an internet message board.

I'd prefer to see honesty and emotion here from our "industry professionals", rather than the company line.

It's one thing if you or I had that response, but I think those in the public eye have to be a bit more mindful of their actions. To me, his response said he didn't give a crap what I or you, the customer, think about the product.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

It's one thing if you or I had that response, but I think those in the public eye have to be a bit more mindful of their actions. To me, his response said he didn't give a crap what I or you, the customer, think about the product.

In this case I'm all right with that.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Really?

Am I the only one here that didn't take Vic's response seriously?

While the original post may have been "measured", it was completely over the top and put forth with the intent to elicit a response from Vic. He got one. I laughed. Apparently you, and others, don't see it that way.

Let's not forget where we are. Vic didn't say bite me in Bloodhorse or on TVG/HRTV, he said it on an internet message board.

I'd prefer to see honesty and emotion here from our "industry professionals", rather than the company line.

Please......Stauffer was basically telling me to F#ck off. IF he was on TVG and I called in and made the same comment to me he would be fired on the spot by Hollywood. Part of being in the spotlight is acting professional and handling fan's criticism. If my comment was so out of line he would have laughed it off and in a professional way responded. Instead he acted like a a little kid. I obviously hit a nerve and he somewhat agrees with me.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Really?

Am I the only one here that didn't take Vic's response seriously?

While the original post may have been "measured", it was completely over the top and put forth with the intent to elicit a response from Vic. He got one. I laughed. Apparently you, and others, don't see it that way.

Let's not forget where we are. Vic didn't say bite me in Bloodhorse or on TVG/HRTV, he said it on an internet message board.

I'd prefer to see honesty and emotion here from our "industry professionals", rather than the company line.

Exactly, it was laugh out loud funny and while it may not have been worthy of addressing a court room or formal hearing it was a short, to the point way of saying "I disagree" which loses the levity it produced.

The guy has been perpetually hearing this nonsense about the ethical compromise of representing Rosario from the first day it was announced. He went to his bosses and got their blessing yet he still has to hear these clairvoyant crumudgeons criticize the intentions of every race call that Rosario is involved in over and over. At some point a more colorful reaction to this same lame point is warranted. When the guy posts here I hope he is looked at as off the clock if not there is another discussion to be had.

[Left Bank]

Don't you people have anything better to talk about?This whole thread is ridiculous.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Exactly, it was laugh out loud funny and while it may not have been worthy of addressing a court room or formal hearing it was a short, to the point way of saying "I disagree" which loses the levity it produced.

The guy has been perpetually hearing this nonsense about the ethical compromise of representing Rosario from the first day it was announced. He went to his bosses and got their blessing yet he still has to hear these clairvoyant crumudgeons criticize the intentions of every race call that Rosario is involved in over and over. At some point a more colorful reaction to this same lame point is warranted. When the guy posts here I hope he is looked at as off the clock if not there is another discussion to be had.

His bosses are lame ducks as is Vic. They all could give two Shiits as the place is DONE.. All Victoria(since we can all act like children) had to do was respond in some sort of professional manner. Something like Pete I call them the way I see them or Pete I will keep it in mind as sometimes the the heart gets in the way of the head would have sufficed. Instead we got Pete I am losing my job in a few months nobody is going to hire me to call races which I love and because of that I have lost my friggin mind and tell folks who are making reasonable points to F off..

Remember I think Vic is pretty dam good but apparently keeping his head in the game has escaped him..

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Vic,

Sorry... While everyone is entitled to the occasional outburst or angry reply, this a very disappointing response from an industry professional given the measured tone of Pete's original post. You are in a slightly awkward position holding book and calling, and acknowledging that there is a race where you occasionally cross the line is only going to win you the understanding of viewers. The above is an Albert Belle-esque antic, and only demonstrates that you recognize you were overly cognizant of Rosario's spot in the race.

I don't think so. Especially the latter part. Did you watch the race? Rosario's horse is making a huge move and anyone who isn't blind can see it. Did you want him to wait until midstretch before mentioning the horse? Is it a conservative/generic call we're after or one which demonstrates some skill from the caller? What sets Vic ABOVE ALL the other race callers out there is he has a strong sense of setups and ANTICIPATES moves. The dude is uncanny at this.

And for all the times 'Pete' has done NOTHING but **** WITH PEOPLE because he's clueless as to even the basics of the game, here you choose to come to his defense? Very disappointing. Why don't you go back and compare his positive to his negative threads and see where we stand. How about we ENCOURAGE VIC to contribute MORE, since he's got more than a clue, and discourage some of the ****ers that have nothing to contribute but still feel the need to stir **** up?

Typed while in excruciating pain, and after having been up all night, after one of my crowns dislodged, exposing the nerve.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't think so. Especially the latter part. Did you watch the race? Rosario's horse is making a huge move and anyone who isn't blind can see it. Did you want him to wait until midstretch before mentioning the horse? Is it a conservative/generic call we're after or one which demonstrates some skill from the caller? What sets Vic ABOVE ALL the other race callers out there is he has a strong sense of setups and ANTICIPATES moves. The dude is uncanny at this.

And for all the times 'Pete' has done NOTHING but **** WITH PEOPLE because he's clueless as to even the basics of the game, here you choose to come to his defense? Very disappointing. Why don't you go back and compare his positive to his negative threads and see where we stand. How about we ENCOURAGE VIC to contribute MORE, since he's got more than a clue, and discourage some of the ****ers that have nothing to contribute but still feel the need to stir **** up?

Typed while in excruciating pain, and after having been up all night, after one of my crowns dislodged, exposing the nerve.

I completely appreciate Vic's candor and irreverent nature and willingness to interact with race fans here or elsewhere. Whether the call was appropriate or tinged is a matter of perview and debate. But there were better ways to respond and even better ways to tell Pete to get bent.

[JerseyJ]

I think the other big thing that people fail to see here, is that the horse who "won" the race, wasn't going to win the race, had the 3 not freaked out in the stretch. It was becoming clearer as they neared the finish line that the 3 was going to hold off Rosario's horse and they probably could have gone around again and the 3 would not have been passed. So Stauffer recognized a horse making a move on the turn, but back to the original point of the original poster, he made the horse sould like a 1/5 shot sweeping by everyone like Secretariat.

I think it's a fair issue about having a conflict of interest. Certainly you might be more willing to factor in one role when talking about another. It's a little like NCAA Football Coaches voting in their season ending poll. While not truly the same, USA Today reveals online, the final polls of various NCAA Division I coaches, and the common thing in them is how each coach generally favors and ranks his team higher than they should be ranked showing favoritism to their team, just as Stauffer does at times with Rosario. We get it, of course he's your rider and of course you stand to gain when he wins, but in the matter of professionalism, don't let the two jobs interfere with each other. Keep em separate.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't think so. Especially the latter part. Did you watch the race? Rosario's horse is making a huge move and anyone who isn't blind can see it. Did you want him to wait until midstretch before mentioning the horse? Is it a conservative/generic call we're after or one which demonstrates some skill from the caller? What sets Vic ABOVE ALL the other race callers out there is he has a strong sense of setups and ANTICIPATES moves. The dude is uncanny at this.

And for all the times 'Pete' has done NOTHING but **** WITH PEOPLE because he's clueless as to even the basics of the game, here you choose to come to his defense? Very disappointing. Why don't you go back and compare his positive to his negative threads and see where we stand. How about we ENCOURAGE VIC to contribute MORE, since he's got more than a clue, and discourage some of the ****ers that have nothing to contribute but still feel the need to stir **** up?

Typed while in excruciating pain, and after having been up all night, after one of my crowns dislodged, exposing the nerve.

First of all Pete is hardly clueless and perhaps everybit as sharp as you are when it comes to handicapping. Secondly, his comments were fair enough and were hardly inflamatory if Vic had elected to deal with them professionally.
Vic is in a precarious position. I am not aware of any business that would allow such a obviously conflict to continue. Instead of embracing constructive critism,"FATBURGER",Vic choose the juvy approach which is disheartening since he could have used this as an opportunity to tell us all about what his next career will entail when Hollywood gets bulldozed. Perhaps Vic doesn't give a dam as he knows the light at the end of the tunnel isn't shining on him in the cat birds seat calling racings in 2010?

I have always enjoyed Vic as an announcer and think he does a terrific job.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by freddymo

First of all Pete is hardly clueless and perhaps everybit as sharp as you are when it comes to handicapping. Secondly, his comments were fair enough and were hardly inflamatory if Vic had elected to deal with them professionally.
Vic is in a precarious position. I am not aware of any business that would allow such a obviously conflict to continue. Instead of embracing constructive critism,"FATBURGER",Vic choose the juvy approach which is disheartening since he could have used this as an opportunity to tell us all about what his next career will entail when Hollywood gets bulldozed. Perhaps Vic doesn't give a dam as he knows the light at the end of the tunnel isn't shining on him in the cat birds seat calling racings in 2010?

I have always enjoyed Vic as an announcer and think he does a terrific job.

Thanks Freddy. There are some sharp guys on here. The Fatman isn't one of them. I will take my 24 years of going to the track and put it against him and his long winded opinions any day. While I do stir up some sh#t on here I never come on and say I am a better capper than so and so. I don't know really care how others do at the track...doesn't effect my bankroll.

The Fatman says he has me on ignore, but it's obvious he pays attention to any post I make.

Originally Posted by freddymo

Vic choose the juvy approach which is disheartening since he could have used this as an opportunity to tell us all about what his next career will entail when Hollywood gets bulldozed. Perhaps Vic doesn't give a dam as he knows the light at the end of the tunnel isn't shining on him in the cat birds seat calling racings in 2010?

I have always enjoyed Vic as an announcer and think he does a terrific job.

Losing a job in today's economy
in an industry that is suffering
deserves a good jolly ribbing.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't think so. Especially the latter part. Did you watch the race? Rosario's horse is making a huge move and anyone who isn't blind can see it. Did you want him to wait until midstretch before mentioning the horse? Is it a conservative/generic call we're after or one which demonstrates some skill from the caller? What sets Vic ABOVE ALL the other race callers out there is he has a strong sense of setups and ANTICIPATES moves. The dude is uncanny at this.

And for all the times 'Pete' has done NOTHING but **** WITH PEOPLE because he's clueless as to even the basics of the game, here you choose to come to his defense? Very disappointing. Why don't you go back and compare his positive to his negative threads and see where we stand. How about we ENCOURAGE VIC to contribute MORE, since he's got more than a clue, and discourage some of the ****ers that have nothing to contribute but still feel the need to stir **** up?

Typed while in excruciating pain, and after having been up all night, after one of my crowns dislodged, exposing the nerve.

Yeah Fatman, you bring a lot to the table. All you do is complain complain complain. God forbid someone takes the otherside of your opinion. While I do speak my mind and do stir up some sh#t, at least I am not on here 24 hours a day complaining about NYRA...complaining about tracks not having Trakus...complaining about jocks....complaining about other's speed figures...complaining about tracks taking races off of the turf after monsoons. You must be an overall loser at the track, because if you were on the winning side you wouldn't bi#ch about EVERYTHING.

It's funny having a guy who whines constantly on here and cries about everything saying I bring nothing to the table. You want to compare threads, bring it on. Outside of being the board complainer you really don't contribute anything of substance. Sure you have long winded threads about pace...lost ground....etc.....but 90% of your posts are you crying and whining like a little brat. You are not the expert you think you are. You just like to try and impress others with a lot of words.

We can go back and forth all day. But why clog up Steve's board. If you ever come out of hiding and make it down to Gulfstream/Calder do let me know. We can iron out our differences in person.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Vic,

Sorry... While everyone is entitled to the occasional outburst or angry reply, this a very disappointing response from an industry professional given the measured tone of Pete's original post. You are in a slightly awkward position holding book and calling, and acknowledging that there is a race where you occasionally cross the line is only going to win you the understanding of viewers. The above is an Albert Belle-esque antic, and only demonstrates that you recognize you were overly cognizant of Rosario's spot in the race.

Thanks Steve. I didn't think I was attacking him. It's too bad a guy in his position calling for a major track can't handle criticism. I was kind of shocked with his response. I would have thought that a guy who is out in the public calling races for a big meet could handle a race fan's criticism/view on the race. Guess not.....