No Breeders' Cup for Rachel...

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

You are right. Winning a nw2L proves you can handle a surface just as much as winning a grade one while beating the reigning champion mare does.

You said the surface was an unknown...nice spin.

[tector]

Racing effed up by putting the BC at SA for two consecutive years. If someone can't acknowledge that, I don't know what planet they are from.

There are plenty of opportunities for Zenyatta and RA to face each other. But the connections of Zenyatta won't take any of them, just like they won't take an opportunity to run her against boys. Her projected 2009 campaign is the most deliberately boring campaign of any (supposedly) top-grade horse that I can recall. No one can say the same thing about RA. This weekend will mark the 5th state (and 5th track) she has been to this year.

Meanwhile, Zenyatta is cooped-up on the most godawfully boring "major" racing circuit, to run against the same tin cans over and over, apparently. Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by tector

Her projected 2009 campaign is the most deliberately boring campaign of any (supposedly) top-grade horse that I can recall. .

While I dont agree with her campaign and hope they run in either the PC or the BCC, you must be new to the sport, this is the same exact campagne Azeri had to her second championship only 5 years ago....of course maybe that means she was not top class in your opinion.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

You said the surface was an unknown...nice spin.

I thought the natural conclusion for most people would be to understand that the class of competition you face might have something to do with the result of a race. Being able to beat a field that you completely overmatch on talent doesn't mean that you answer all questions.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I thought the natural conclusion for most people would be to understand that the class of competition you face might have something to do with the result of a race. Being able to beat a field that you completely overmatch on talent doesn't mean that you answer all questions.

Yeah, Curlin beat a bunch of good horses in the BC Classic and beat some good horses on the turf. Had he been running against allowance fields in either case he would have won. Doesn't mean he wasn't much better on the dirt.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

While I dont agree with her campaign and hope they run in either the PC or the BCC, you must be new to the sport, this is the same exact campagne Azeri had to her second championship only 5 years ago....of course maybe that means she was not top class in your opinion.

At least Azeri made one trip outside of her home state during her 2nd championship campaign.

NT

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

While I dont agree with her campaign and hope they run in either the PC or the BCC, you must be new to the sport, this is the same exact campagne Azeri had to her second championship only 5 years ago....of course maybe that means she was not top class in your opinion.

It's possible to recognize that she's top class and still be bored to tears with the schedule they have for her. For me, it was the same way with Azeri and I was happy when she went to Lukas.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

It's possible to recognize that she's top class and still be bored to tears with the schedule they have for her. For me, it was the same way with Azeri and I was happy when she went to Lukas.

I was just pointing out its not that rare, same campaign Paseana had in her championship year of 1993.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

At least Azeri made one trip outside of her home state during her 2nd championship campaign.

NT

True, and if I remember correctly Azeri still got beat up for her schedule by most people. See you really can't please everyone.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I was just pointing out its not that rare, same campaign Paseana had in her championship year of 1993.

Paseana won the Apple Blossom and Spinster in 1993 and the BC was in her backyard that year.

NT

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Paseana won the Apple Blossom and Spinster in 1993 and the BC was in her backyard that year.

NT

I forgot about the Spinster, what a strange move.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Zenyatta has nothing to do with it. He said from the beginning that if they ran in the BC it would be in the Classic.

.....what the curlin camp never mention is that he made the exact move in last years classic.......the only problem was he wasnt dacing the same mules he had been beatin. ravens pass was simply better.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by tector

Racing effed up by putting the BC at SA for two consecutive years. If someone can't acknowledge that, I don't know what planet they are from.

There are plenty of opportunities for Zenyatta and RA to face each other. But the connections of Zenyatta won't take any of them, just like they won't take an opportunity to run her against boys. Her projected 2009 campaign is the most deliberately boring campaign of any (supposedly) top-grade horse that I can recall. No one can say the same thing about RA. This weekend will mark the 5th state (and 5th track) she has been to this year.

Meanwhile, Zenyatta is cooped-up on the most godawfully boring "major" racing circuit, to run against the same tin cans over and over, apparently. Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

....yeah, she is a " supposedly " a top grade horse. you are an idiot.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I forgot about the Spinster, what a strange move.

It wasn't a strange move at all. The Spinster was a regular race for older mares from Southern Cali to point to until the Lady's Secret got a purse bump and upgraded. Paseana went in 1993 but she also went in 1992. Bayakoa went in 1989 and 1990. I remember Different won it in 1996.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

It wasn't a strange move at all. The Spinster was a regular race for older mares from Southern Cali to point to until the Lady's Secret got a purse bump and upgraded. Paseana went in 1993 but she also went in 1992. Bayakoa went in 1989 and 1990. I remember Different won it in 1996.

How many have left now that the Ladys Secret is in place?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

How many have left now that the Ladys Secret is in place?

The Lady's Secret was first run in 1993. That year, Paseana shipped to the Spinster, understandable since the Lady's Secret wasn't an established race. Since then, the only primarily California based runner I can think of is Different in 1996.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The Lady's Secret was first run in 1993. That year, Paseana shipped to the Spinster, understandable since the Lady's Secret wasn't an established race. Since then, the only primarily California based runner I can think of is Different in 1996.

Model last year, but she is like an alw type horse

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Model last year, but she is like an alw type horse

Well yeah. I was thinking more along the line of the leading Southern California mares, like Paseana, Bayakoa, and Different were.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

.....ravens pass was simply better.

there was not a horse in the world last year that was "better" than Curlin on "dirt".

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Paseana won the Apple Blossom and Spinster in 1993 and the BC was in her backyard that year.

NT

You might have already known, but Paseana also got leveled in the Ruffian at Belmont in '93.