NBA Trades - Page 2

GBBob · #21 07-01-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...The-Night.html

Good piece by a really good writer who hasnt been ESPNized.

Forgive me, but how can anyone love the NBA?

Sorry..that article is awesome...

And I didn't mean to butt into your thread..I just don't get it.

Cannon Shell · #22 07-02-2009, 09:04 AM

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/07/01/g...e-war-on-fans/

More love for Zach

Cannon Shell · #23 07-02-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

Forgive me, but how can anyone love the NBA?

Sorry..that article is awesome...

And I didn't mean to butt into your thread..I just don't get it.

You are blackhawks fan. What is more irrelevant than the Blackhawks?

#24 07-02-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

Forgive me, but how can anyone love the NBA?

Sorry..that article is awesome...

And I didn't mean to butt into your thread..I just don't get it.

Best athletes in any team sport.
Players are on an island unlike football.

You cannot stick some 350 lb dude in the middle
of the line for every 3rd and short and get away with it.
Cant have some reliever pitch to 1 batter and win it.

Its easy to see if you suck.
You cant get lost, you have to contribute.

dalakhani · #25 07-02-2009, 08:20 PM

For once I agree with Pgardn and cannon shell. Getting rid of Zach Randolph's contract for ANYTHING was great. Getting rid of it for an expiring 9 million is a STEAL.

Zach randolph is an extremely talented player...perhaps the greatest ever to play at storied Marion high school. However, he is a confirmed idiot that needs the ball in the post and kills any kind of chemistry both on the floor and in the locker room. That 20-10 needs a serious asterisk.

King Glorious · #26 07-03-2009, 08:04 PM

Sorry but 20-10 never needs an asterisk. Not in the toughest league in the world. There are only a few people in the world capable of doing it. He's one of the. And he's done it consistently for a number of years.

SniperSB23 · #27 07-03-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Sorry but 20-10 never needs an asterisk. Not in the toughest league in the world. There are only a few people in the world capable of doing it. He's one of the. And he's done it consistently for a number of years.

It's almost physically impossible to be a good NBA player and have as low a winning percentage as Zach Randolph has since he's become a regular player. He's a stat stuffer but not a good player.

blackthroatedwind · #28 07-03-2009, 08:50 PM

A friend of mine who's a Knicks fan could never figure out, being how disfunctional they are, how Isaah hadn't traded for Zach. Eventually, Zeke didn't let him down.

Zach is talented.....and a complete disaster. Why any team would want him is beyond me.

SniperSB23 · #29 07-03-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

A friend of mine who's a Knicks fan could never figure out, being how disfunctional they are, how Isaah hadn't traded for Zach. Eventually, Zeke didn't let him down.

Zach is talented.....and a complete disaster. Why any team would want him is beyond me.

Been drinking? Very un-BTW of you.

blackthroatedwind · #30 07-03-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Been drinking? Very un-BTW of you.

I don't have the time to drink.

Couldn't it be considered a colloquialism?

SniperSB23 · #31 07-03-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't have the time to drink.

Couldn't it be considered a colloquialism?

You can't jump from a spelling mistake to using 'colloquialism' in one step, that is just too much of a stretch.

blackthroatedwind · #32 07-03-2009, 10:28 PM

Well, I hate the supposed word, but many would argue that irregardless is a colloquialism.

SniperSB23 · #33 07-03-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, I hate the supposed word, but many would argue that irregardless is a colloquialism.

More like unnecessary and potentially confusing redundancy.

#34 07-03-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, I hate the supposed word, but many would argue that irregardless is a colloquialism.

You want someone to point out regardless.

Someone do it.

GBBob · #35 07-04-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

More like unnecessary and potentially confusing redundancy.

stop it..both of you

King Glorious · #36 07-04-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It's almost physically impossible to be a good NBA player and have as low a winning percentage as Zach Randolph has since he's become a regular player. He's a stat stuffer but not a good player.

That's really unfair. His first four years as a starter, he played for the Jail Blazers. Then he went to the Knicks. Then the Clippers. Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, and Magic Johnson would have a hard time having a winning percentage playing with those teams. I understand that a guy can be a 20-10 guy and not be clutch. Garnett to me was that way to me for years. Chris Webber to some extent was that way. A lot of people believe Dirk Nowitzki is that same way. While some guys are more box score (Randolph) and some guys are more results (Duncan), there is just no way in the world that you can be a 20-10 guy in this league and not be a good player. Now that's impossible. Nobody is calling a top 10 or even top 20 player. Nobody is calling him a great teammate. I'm not even arguing that he's not overpaid a little. But for the kind of production that he gives a team, he's worth much more than a Quentin Richardson. For a coach to have the luxury of penciling in a guy that will get you 20-10 a night every night, year after year, that's something any coach would take. Randolph has been among the better players of his peers since high school. You just do not succeed and produce the way he does and not be a good player.

#37 07-04-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

That's really unfair. His first four years as a starter, he played for the Jail Blazers. Then he went to the Knicks. Then the Clippers. Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, and Magic Johnson would have a hard time having a winning percentage playing with those teams. I understand that a guy can be a 20-10 guy and not be clutch. Garnett to me was that way to me for years. Chris Webber to some extent was that way. A lot of people believe Dirk Nowitzki is that same way. While some guys are more box score (Randolph) and some guys are more results (Duncan), there is just no way in the world that you can be a 20-10 guy in this league and not be a good player. Now that's impossible. Nobody is calling a top 10 or even top 20 player. Nobody is calling him a great teammate. I'm not even arguing that he's not overpaid a little. But for the kind of production that he gives a team, he's worth much more than a Quentin Richardson. For a coach to have the luxury of penciling in a guy that will get you 20-10 a night every night, year after year, that's something any coach would take. Randolph has been among the better players of his peers since high school. You just do not succeed and produce the way he does and not be a good player.

He is a good player. But he really has no concept of team.
A guy that gives you 20-10 and then gives up bunnies underneath
the entire game on the defensive end is not worth as much as his
numbers say. He is pitiful on defense. Imo because it requires effort
that he exerts fully on the offensive end. For a guy that starts, he
gets a too large a % of O-rbounds v. D-rbounds. This may have been
due to the style of play of some of those teams. But most likely
is another indicator of where his effort really occurs, which is offensively.

Other issues along with the above make him extremely undesirable
for teams looking to win a division, or with young guys that play his position
that need to develop. He does not need to be anywhere near Blake
Griffin on a team. Golden State would be a very good fit for Randolph's
style.

dalakhani · #38 07-04-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

That's really unfair. His first four years as a starter, he played for the Jail Blazers. Then he went to the Knicks. Then the Clippers. Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, and Magic Johnson would have a hard time having a winning percentage playing with those teams. I understand that a guy can be a 20-10 guy and not be clutch. Garnett to me was that way to me for years. Chris Webber to some extent was that way. A lot of people believe Dirk Nowitzki is that same way. While some guys are more box score (Randolph) and some guys are more results (Duncan), there is just no way in the world that you can be a 20-10 guy in this league and not be a good player. Now that's impossible. Nobody is calling a top 10 or even top 20 player. Nobody is calling him a great teammate. I'm not even arguing that he's not overpaid a little. But for the kind of production that he gives a team, he's worth much more than a Quentin Richardson. For a coach to have the luxury of penciling in a guy that will get you 20-10 a night every night, year after year, that's something any coach would take. Randolph has been among the better players of his peers since high school. You just do not succeed and produce the way he does and not be a good player.

Dont be so obsessed with stats that you lose track of how they are acheived and at what cost to the team.

Did you actually WATCH any of the clipper games last year? I will post an article by the sports guy that i found especially entertaining that contained a little about Randolph in it. Its hilarious.

Randolph is a VERY TALENTED player. He is big, strong and has a very nice touch to about 16 ft. But he needs the ball and he does incredibly stupid things at times when he gets it. Is it a coincidence that no one wants him?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...1&sportCat=nba

King Glorious · #39 07-04-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Dont be so obsessed with stats that you lose track of how they are acheived and at what cost to the team.

Did you actually WATCH any of the clipper games last year? I will post an article by the sports guy that i found especially entertaining that contained a little about Randolph in it. Its hilarious.

Randolph is a VERY TALENTED player. He is big, strong and has a very nice touch to about 16 ft. But he needs the ball and he does incredibly stupid things at times when he gets it. Is it a coincidence that no one wants him?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...1&sportCat=nba

Nah, I didn't watch a game. I only have season tickets to the Clippers. I'd take a Zach Randolph on my team any day. You guys are acting as if he is the reason the Knicks sucked. Thomas ruined a whole league but Randolph is the reason why the Knicks sucked. The Clippers were an example of the model NBA franchise before Randolph got there. He single handedly sunk that team. The season before he became a starter in Portland, the Blazers weren't a bad team. The sank to 41 wins in his first year. Had nothing to do with two of their three leading scorers from the previous year missing 37 and 31 games and the third guy not even being there. Blame it all on Randolph that Portland sank to 27 wins the next year, even though they had eight guys that started 30 or more games and their leading minutes guys after Randolph were Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Damon Stoudamire, Nick Van Exel, Ruben Patterson, Theo Ratliff, and Darius Miles. Yeah, Randolph really disrupted THAT team and made them bad.

dalakhani · #40 07-05-2009, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Nah, I didn't watch a game. I only have season tickets to the Clippers. I'd take a Zach Randolph on my team any day. You guys are acting as if he is the reason the Knicks sucked. Thomas ruined a whole league but Randolph is the reason why the Knicks sucked. The Clippers were an example of the model NBA franchise before Randolph got there. He single handedly sunk that team. The season before he became a starter in Portland, the Blazers weren't a bad team. The sank to 41 wins in his first year. Had nothing to do with two of their three leading scorers from the previous year missing 37 and 31 games and the third guy not even being there. Blame it all on Randolph that Portland sank to 27 wins the next year, even though they had eight guys that started 30 or more games and their leading minutes guys after Randolph were Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Damon Stoudamire, Nick Van Exel, Ruben Patterson, Theo Ratliff, and Darius Miles. Yeah, Randolph really disrupted THAT team and made them bad.

Who said everything should be blamed on Randolph? Who said he singlehandedly ruined a team? It wasnt me.

Randolph, though talented, is dumb and selfish. I can't quantify those qualities with stats. You just have to watch the games to understand. Portland got what for Randolph? New York got what for Randolph? Now the Clips are giving him away for nothing. Why? are all of these execs just dumb? Donnie Walsh suddenly dumb?