Rabbit for Mine That Bird?

rpncaine · #1 06-01-2009, 02:23 PM

Wouldn't it be a good idea for the connections of MTB to use some of their TC winnings to purchase and enter a rabbit for him in the Belmont? If your worried about lack of pace, why not do something to make sure it happens?

gales0678 · #2 06-01-2009, 02:29 PM

don't think it will matter , he will run the 12 F faster than anyone in the race

sdjcom · #3 06-01-2009, 02:33 PM

I think MTB will be a little closer and CM doesn't want to go real slow or it might work against him, either run them off their feet or be prepared to fend them off in a 1 1/2 mile long stretch track. Also MTB is not the only one in here that can close, SB,CC,LG just might blow on by. this long of a race the pace i feel has less to do with the outcome than the horses ability to get the distance and be in form to do it.

NTamm1215 · #4 06-01-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

I think MTB will be a little closer and CM doesn't want to go real slow or it might work against him, either run them off their feet or be prepared to fend them off in a 1 1/2 mile long stretch track. Also MTB is not the only one in here that can close, SB,CC,LG just might blow on by. this long of a race the pace i feel has less to do with the outcome than the horses ability to get the distance and be in form to do it.

The pace going 12 furlongs is extremely important. Extremely.

NT

gales0678 · #5 06-01-2009, 02:41 PM

i agree

but with his talent , he s/b able to handle this field even if the fast pace upfront doesn't develop , the others are just not as fast as him

the_fat_man · #6 06-01-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The pace going 12 furlongs is extremely important. Extremely.

NT

This is true when the competitors are, somewhat, evenly matched. Of course, the wildcards here are the jocks: we already know most of them are retarded; in a race like the BEL, we see how many of them can get 12F. What a recipe for a moneyburning disaster.

NTamm1215 · #7 06-01-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is true when the competitors are, somewhat, evenly matched. Of course, the wildcards here are the jocks: we already know most of them are retarded; in a race like the BEL, we see how many of them can get 12F. What a recipe for a moneyburning disaster.

The jockeys do have a bit more to do with the outcome going 12fs I'd say. Am I the only one thinking a drastic change of tactics could be in the offing for the now blinker-clad Summer Bird? Desormeaux loves the mid-backstretch rail rush, so perhaps he'll just do it earlier with SB and ask him to sustain a 10 furlong run.

NT

sdjcom · #8 06-01-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The pace going 12 furlongs is extremely important. Extremely.

NT

I am probably the only person who thinks pace is about 3rd in importance in races 12f and up to marathons, in the country but i stand by it. Good-luck on Belmont day.

gales0678 · #9 06-01-2009, 03:05 PM

mtb s/b able to run this field right into the ground , he the best 3 yr old in the country right now , he 's faster than all these other rats and he's run the fastest closing qtr in the KY derby since Secretariat

I think he wins for fun on Sat and wins by more than 7 lengths

CSC · #10 06-01-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The pace going 12 furlongs is extremely important. Extremely.

NT

I agree 100%, MTB has one style that he has truly excelled at and we know what that is...All you have to do is see his handling by Casey Lambert to know he does not like to be rushed. If this race is paceless I would hate to be on him at what most likely will be 2-1 with him roughly 10-15 lengths off of the leaders, and if he is injected sooner into a race without pace we all have seen he can be pretty mediocre.

sdjcom · #11 06-01-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I agree 100%, MTB has one style that he has truly excelled at and we know what that is...All you have to do is see his handling by Casey Lambert to know he does not like to be rushed. If this race is paceless I would hate to be on him at what most likely will be 2-1 with him roughly 10-15 lengths off of the leaders, and if he is injected sooner into a race without pace we all have seen he can be pretty mediocre.

my view is if the pace is too slow , say 49.00 1:14,for 3/4 MTB and others will be closer to the leader with an extra 1/4 mile to run than the derby. the leader CM or whoever might have some thing left after a slow pace however, no lead to capitalize on it. these late runners will run the last 3/8ths faster and if no big lead by pace-setter he's done. does this make sense..lol, in these ultra -long races MTB will not have to be injected,and will be closer to the leaders if pace is to slow, thus closers being close and having it their own way with-out moving to early, from my view point throught the years wwhen pace was honest in the belmont the leaders had an advantage with closers getting loss way back, maybe too far back because jockeys are afraid of moving to early at belmont. one huge plus for summer bird is Kd,he has this track down to a T.