Pompa-Reynolds Relationship Ends - Page 2

blackthroatedwind · #21 03-17-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You can't be objective about it. Considering what horses he's been given by the guy, the success together hasn't been nearly as good as it would have been with these other trainers. You're too close.

You just don't give up. Nothing you said makes any sense whatsoever in relation to what I posted. Nothing.

I give you consistency points.

SCUDSBROTHER · #22 03-17-2009, 08:14 PM

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You just don't give up. Nothing you said makes any sense whatsoever in relation to what I posted. Nothing.

I give you consistency points.

After saying your friendly with the trainer who got fired, everything you're saying makes perfect sense, because you are too damn close.

blackthroatedwind · #23 03-17-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

After saying your friendly with the trainer who got fired, everything you're saying makes perfect sense, because you are too damn close.

I am friendly with BOTH Pat Reynolds and Paul Pompa. I have said nothing either for or against either party in this particular situation. Anyone who can read would see that is the case. My comments were in response to your mistaken contention that this meet was not an aberration. That also doesn't mean that Paul didn't have a valid reason for making a change. None of us know exactly what went down. Unlike you, I don't choose to guess about that which I don't know in this particular situation.

Just so you understand, I knock the chances of horses both owned and trained by people I am friendly with every single racing day, on the air. I am nothing if not objective. I understand, you don't listen, which is fine, but stop pretending you do.

SCUDSBROTHER · #24 03-17-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am friendly with BOTH Pat Reynolds and Paul Pompa. I have said nothing either for or against either party in this particular situation. Anyone who can read would see that is the case. My comments were in response to your mistaken contention that this meet was not an aberration. That also doesn't mean that Paul didn't have a valid reason for making a change. None of us know exactly what went down. Unlike you, I don't choose to guess about that which I don't know in this particular situation.

Just so you understand, I knock the chances of horses both owned and trained by people I am friendly with every single racing day, on the air. I am nothing if not objective. I understand, you don't listen, which is fine, but stop pretending you do.

Uh, no. You're not being objective in this situation. There's not been nearly enough success to continue the partnership. Have no idea why you can't see that(oh yea...he's your friend.) Should of moved to someone else years ago. Don't care why he did it. He's late.

blackthroatedwind · #25 03-17-2009, 08:38 PM

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Uh, no. You're not being objective in this situation. There's not been nearly enough success to continue the partnership. Have no idea why you can't see that(oh yea...he's your friend.) Should of moved to someone else years ago. Don't care why he did it. He's late.

I'm not being objective? I haven't expressed a single opinion about this situation other than to correct your incorrect comment that this meet was not an aberration. I have zero opinion about the split between Pompa and Reynolds. How could I? I don't know the reason....and nor do you.

SCUDSBROTHER · #26 03-17-2009, 08:57 PM

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I'm not being objective? I haven't expressed a single opinion about this situation other than to correct your incorrect comment that this meet was not an aberration. I have zero opinion about the split between Pompa and Reynolds. How could I? I don't know the reason....and nor do you.

The guy has 4 horses. You're telling me I am incorrect about the level of success he has had before this year, but the guy has 4 horses. I am not at all surprised that he only has 4 horses, because (unlike you) I don't think he did enough with what he had. From what I can see, your ideas about the level of success he has had the last 5 years are over-estimates (due to subjectivity.) I don't know him. I like his last name. I have nothing personal against this person. I just don't think he has done enough with what he has had to run. Simple as that.

blackthroatedwind · #27 03-17-2009, 08:59 PM

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The guy has 4 horses. You're telling me I am incorrect about the level of success he has had before this year, but the guy has 4 horses. I am not at all surprised that he only has 4 horses, because (unlike you) I don't think he did enough with what he had. From what I can see, your ideas about the level of success he has had the last 5 years are over-estimates (due to subjectivity.) I don't know him. I like his last name. I have nothing personal against this person. I just don't think he has done enough with what he has had to run. Simple as that.

Other than winning a Grade 1 and Grade 2, and placing in three other Grade 1s, with Backseat Rhythm, kindly tell me about all the other horses he has underachieved with.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #28 03-17-2009, 09:03 PM

who cares..good luck to both partys.. why is andy too close . wtf is that scuds.. he knows both partys so what..and again who cares.. maybee he will spread his horses out and find that he was happy before..if not pat will do ok
hes a good trainer..i just dont get the badgering of andy because he has a show..from what ive seen the last few years here andy calls a spade a spade..

justindew · #29 03-17-2009, 09:06 PM

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Other than winning a Grade 1 and Grade 2, and placing in three other Grade 1s, with Backseat Rhythm, kindly tell me about all the other horses he has underachieved with.

Ummm...maybe Big Brown.

No reason that horse should have won his debut by less than 12.

SCUDSBROTHER · #30 03-17-2009, 09:15 PM

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Other than winning a Grade 1 and Grade 2, and placing in three other Grade 1s, with Backseat Rhythm, kindly tell me about all the other horses he has underachieved with.

Too long a list. Cut to the chase, and give me another example of someone he's done as well with in the last 5 years(b.t.w. she's all out to run a 91 Beyer for him right now.) If he was successful with what he had, then he'll have other clients wanting the same. We will see. I think he'll do o.k. as a claiming trainer.

blackthroatedwind · #31 03-17-2009, 09:18 PM

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Too long a list. Cut to the chase, and give me another example of someone he's done as well with in the last 5 years(b.t.w. she's all out to run a 91 Beyer for him right now.) If he was successful with what he had, then he'll have other clients wanting the same. We will see. I think he'll do o.k. as a claiming trainer.

Thanks you for answering my question.....you can't name one....not because there might not be some examples.....but because you have no idea who he has trained for Pompa in the past and how they did.

It's been fun. Now I have to finish Thursday's card......and see which friends of mine have horses running that can't win.

gales0678 · #32 03-17-2009, 09:25 PM

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Thanks you for answering my question.....you can't name one....not because there might not be some examples.....but because you have no idea who he has trained for Pompa in the past and how they did.

It's been fun. Now I have to finish Thursday's card......and see which friends of mine have horses running that can't win.

andy do you think kiaran or ricky will improve the stock they get from reynolds and if they don't will pompa shift them back to pat?

SCUDSBROTHER · #33 03-17-2009, 09:30 PM

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Thanks you for answering my question.....you can't name one....not because there might not be some examples.....but because you have no idea who he has trained for Pompa in the past and how they did.

It's been fun. Now I have to finish Thursday's card......and see which friends of mine have horses running that can't win.

No, I can do it, but it would be quicker (and a much shorter list) to give me the success. Besides, why do you want me to do that? You're just gunna tell me they weren't good enough. The only thing that matters is the success. We can both agree on the one you mentioned. We aren't gunna agree on the reasons for the failures. I can give you names. You can come up with bull excuses forever.

blackthroatedwind · #34 03-17-2009, 09:32 PM

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No, I can do it.

Of course you can.

SCUDSBROTHER · #35 03-17-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

who cares..good luck to both partys.. why is andy too close . wtf is that scuds.. he knows both partys so what..and again who cares.. maybee he will spread his horses out and find that he was happy before..if not pat will do ok
hes a good trainer..i just dont get the badgering of andy because he has a show..from what ive seen the last few years here andy calls a spade a spade..

I've got to come up with a name for this type of post. It's that of one who is the direct opposite of a player hater.

justindew · #36 03-17-2009, 09:46 PM

I know it's very early, but if all the parties involved really apply themselves I think this has Thread of the Year potential.

SCUDSBROTHER · #37 03-17-2009, 09:50 PM

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Of course you can.

You know you're gunna come up with excuses for each one. Give me the G1 G2 WINS he had with Pampa's stuff. No, I am not gunna put names of his failures up here. That's the trap you keep pushing. I'm fully aware you're capable of making excuses. Gee, we're going to disagree. We aren't gunna disagree about the success. You gave me 1, and it didn't get turned down.

Kasept · #38 03-17-2009, 09:50 PM

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It's been fun. Now I have to finish Thursday's card......and see which friends of mine have horses running that can't win.

!!!

ELA · #39 03-17-2009, 10:43 PM

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You guys are too close to it to be objective. If it was just this year, then I could see hanging in there. The results haven't been good enough. You haven't given any reason to stick with him(other than he's a nice guy.) You guys have got shows, and don't want to upset anyone for down the road. Maybe he'll do better with claimers. Andy,you're is so worried about a 1 for 35 trainer, huh. You can be his 1st new client. That's a better way to support him than to say he had acceptable results(when he just didn't.)

And you are too far from it. It's very easy to run someone else's business and make decisions from afar -- and I am not saying it was a bad decision at all. It's also very easy to say other trainers would have done produced more, better results, etc. Great theory there and two people can argue about that in perpetuity.

Like Andy said, I don't think anyone here knows exactly what went on and why the split occured. Why do people feel the need to guess, throw darts at reasons, etc.? This is not the first time a big owner has split up with Pat. Pat also has never run a vast public stable. While I don't think he's ever been private (maybe he has), he's often been in the game of having a lot of horses for one owner, maybe two. He's just that kind of guy, and if you know him, his history, etc. you would understand that. He's a character and I say that in a positive way. The racetrack is full of them.

I am sure when one of the horses steps up and wins, gets a first grade, throws up a new lifetime best, or something -- then it will be time to say "Told you so"

Eric

ELA · #40 03-17-2009, 10:44 PM

Since others are throwing darts -- JMHO -- besides results, there were some politics here as well.

BTW, I know neither of these guys. Pat might say hello to me walking by, but I don't think he knows my name, face and who I am. We've claimed from each other, but that's about it.

Eric