Commentator to Charles Town Classic - Page 2

cakes44 · #21 03-16-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Any chance it was dismal because he was running in a monsoon and the track was a step below soupy?

He IS out of his league running 6F against the best in the world. His BC at Churchill was no picnic either. Running 7-9F is a different story though.

blackthroatedwind · #22 03-16-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44

He IS out of his league running 6F against the best in the world. His BC at Churchill was no picnic either. Running 7-9F is a different story though.

Please, refresh my memory on his BC effort at Churchill.

philcski · #23 03-16-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Any chance it was dismal because he was running in a monsoon and the track was a step below soupy?

Or the fact that he stumbled at the start and was running at a distance nowhere near his best, despite the fact that he's a graded stakes sprint winner?

Gotta love the logic of some people.

cakes44 · #24 03-16-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Please, refresh my memory on his BC effort at Churchill.

Oops.

johnny pinwheel · #25 03-16-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So true. The way Saint Liam drowned him in the 2005 Whitney proved unequivocably that he can't come even close to a top horse. He was so " out of his league " that day that it's embarrassing.

that was years ago. how about churchill this fall when the public made him like 2-5 and einstien drowned him at like 5-1(happy day) and he didn't even get second. he is a nice horse no doubt, theres no knocking him hes great for the game, but i don't see him competing in the BC classic at this point in his career. sorry i sounded like i was dissing him but he is not as good as these people think and the big races with top notch fields(recently) have proven this. plus the fact he has to deal with the "goofy" surface if he were to enter. he needs it fast to even have a shot.

blackthroatedwind · #26 03-16-2009, 05:36 PM

He's actually better than many seem to realize, but he isn't winning at 1 1/4 in the Classic, or virtually any legitimate race, in all likelihood.

The bottom line is that Commentator has run more very fast races than virtually any horse hailed on cyberspace as " great. "

The Indomitable DrugS · #27 03-16-2009, 06:09 PM

Fast as he is - only twice in his long career has he run a Beyer faster than 106 in a Graded stake race.

I think that has a lot to do with the disrespect he gets.

eajinabi · #28 03-16-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I watched this race from the winners circle... easily one of the most exciting races/finishes I have ever seen.

A great race indeed but I really point the blame to Prado on his bad ride. He really thought he could get commentator anytime he wanted but Stevens shut the door on that one.

blackthroatedwind · #29 03-16-2009, 07:21 PM

Yeah, Saint Liam only had the entire stretch to get by Commentator, after Commentator went 1:09 and change for the first 6F.

Prado was clearly at fault. So much so that Dutrow had to use two rabbits to beat Commentator the next time they met.

eajinabi · #30 03-16-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, Saint Liam only had the entire stretch to get by Commentator, after Commentator went 1:09 and change for the first 6F.

Prado was clearly at fault. So much so that Dutrow had to use two rabbits to beat Commentator the next time they met.

Those who fall for the rabbit trick are fools themselves.

And yes Prado was at fault so much that he was replaced by Jerry Bailey and I do recall they winning the BC Classic.

blackthroatedwind · #31 03-16-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi

Those who fall for the rabbit trick are fools themselves.

And yes Prado was at fault so much that he was replaced by Jerry Bailey and I do recall they winning the BC Classic.

Saint Liam ran arguably the fastest race he ever ran in that Whitney.

One can only imagine how fast he would have gone if he didn't get that supposed bad ride.

eajinabi · #32 03-16-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Saint Liam ran arguably the fastest race he ever ran in that Whitney.

One can only imagine how fast he would have gone if he didn't get that supposed bad ride.

Agreed. He ran his fastest race but not really benifited from a good ride. If you watch the replay he was making a mad charge with about 100 yards to go and could not win it. Its all about timing the ride perfectly and thats all he had to do but failed to do so.

Travis Stone · #33 03-16-2009, 11:08 PM

I'm not sure you can really blame Prado for that loss. For one, they lost by a nose. Another half-jump, jump... they win, and Prado is a genius. The bottom line is Commentator was razor-sharp and controlled that race start-to-finish.

Ironically, I drove from Oneonta to Belmont to catch the Yanks/Red Sox and see the Woodward rematch the following day. Commentator was doomed from the start with those rabbits.

the_fat_man · #34 03-16-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Commentator was doomed from the start with those rabbits.

Yeah. He's the Dr Fager of his time.

eajinabi · #35 03-16-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I'm not sure you can really blame Prado for that loss. For one, they lost by a nose. Another half-jump, jump... they win, and Prado is a genius. The bottom line is Commentator was razor-sharp and controlled that race start-to-finish.

Ironically, I drove from Oneonta to Belmont to catch the Yanks/Red Sox and see the Woodward rematch the following day. Commentator was doomed from the start with those rabbits.

Yeah watching that race (Woodward) Commentator had his mind set to take the lead. Stevens wanted to hold him back but just could not restrain him and just let him loose and at that time he was in the middle of two horses dueling for the lead.

-BT- · #36 03-19-2009, 06:38 AM

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...es-town-racing

-bt-

CSC · #37 03-19-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I'm not sure you can really blame Prado for that loss. For one, they lost by a nose. Another half-jump, jump... they win, and Prado is a genius. The bottom line is Commentator was razor-sharp and controlled that race start-to-finish.

Ironically, I drove from Oneonta to Belmont to catch the Yanks/Red Sox and see the Woodward rematch the following day. Commentator was doomed from the start with those rabbits.

I thought Gary Stevens won that race, sure a rider is basically a passenger most of the times. But Stevens understood the horse's strength and rode to them.

slotdirt · #38 04-08-2009, 08:27 AM

Has anybody looked at the noms for the CT Classic day next weekend? This is no joke for Charles Town Racing and Slots:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-to-ct-classic

ddthetide · #39 04-08-2009, 08:42 AM

IF Einstein ships in, we'll be there.

Sightseek · #40 04-08-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

IF Einstein ships in, we'll be there.

Let me know if you and the wife go, I think I'm going to go too.