Jan 24th at GP just keeps looking weirder and weirder - Page 2

freddymo · #21 02-23-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

To claim that I'm a speed handicapper is pretty laughable ... unless you're trying to say that final time is utterly meaningless... which is also pretty laughable.

Trust me "speed boy" you are getting what you asked for with that intial post. think before you hit "submit reply"

The Indomitable DrugS · #22 02-23-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

If the Super knows he would be smart not to share them with the planet.. Moreover he he admits any changes in the surfaces it makes him look like a fool or worse a crook

Freddy has been paying him off.

Him and the track super handicap the next days card together each night. If they like a speed horse they get the inside path like a paved highway. if they like an outside closer - they make the inside paths into a plowed field.

They also try and change the speed of the track a lot each day to foul up all the figure makers.

Needless to say - they're cleaning up so far this meet!

Kasept · #23 02-23-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

steve can you get the track super on and ask him some questions about what drugs has brought up here? maybe there are more answers

Honestly? Those sharecroppers are lucky they can remember where they leave the keys to the tractors overnight. They're frequently not sure if there is water in the tanks of the wagons. They couldn't tell you where the sun sets. Their input would not be helpful..

freddymo · #24 02-23-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Freddy has been paying him off.

Him and the track super handicap the next days card together each night. If they like a speed horse they get the inside path like a paved highway. if they like an outside closer - they make the inside path into a plowed field.

They also try and change the speed of the track a lot each day to foul up all the figure makers.

Needless to say - they're cleaning up so far this meet!

the perfect DT post..You are learning

gales0678 · #25 02-23-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Honestly? Those sharecroppers are lucky they can remember where they leave the keys to the tractors overnight. They're frequently not sure if there is water in the tanks of the wagons. They couldn't tell you where the sun sets. Their input would not be helpful..

steve the big a seems to be all speed recently , if you owned a closer would you even bother running there right now?

freddymo · #26 02-23-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

steve the big a seems to be all speed recently , if you owned a closer would you even bother running there right now?

Owning horses are for idiots who like pain

Danzig · #27 02-23-2009, 10:51 AM

and i thought the giant oak thread went downhill.....

Kasept · #28 02-23-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

steve the big a seems to be all speed recently , if you owned a closer would you even bother running there right now?

I haven't watched much AQU the last 7-10 days.. But the track had been very fair overall before that. If there's a bit of a bias toward speed right now, it will level out soon enough. The Inner Track Speed thing has really become something of an old wives' tale.

(But if speed has an advantage now, I'd run my closer, get thumped and come back in 3-4 weeks at a price hoping that Serling didn't point out the horse running against the bias on 'Trips and Traps'...)

freddymo · #29 02-23-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

and i thought the giant oak thread went downhill.....

Bob started it at such a high level it had no were to go but down..

DrugS has been riding on a Blue bus for too long

freddymo · #30 02-23-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

I haven't watched much AQU the last 7-10 days.. But the track had been very fair overall before that. If there's a bit of a bias toward speed right now, it will level out soon enough. The Inner Track Speed thing has really become something of an old wives' tale.

(But if speed has an advantage now, I'd run my closer, get thumped and come back in 3-4 weeks at a price hoping that Serling didn't point out the horse running against the bias on 'Trips and Traps'...)

NYRA canceled Trips and Traps... The new show is "Horse House" featuring Dr Serling diagonosing degenerate horse players with no shot at winning..

stonegossard · #31 02-23-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

NYRA canceled Trips and Traps... The new show is "Horse House" featuring Dr Serling diagonosing degenerate horse players with no shot at winning..

Freddy

I was watching that rehab show and thought I saw you on it....but then they said it was Steven Adler from Guns N Roses. You remind me of him.

freddymo · #32 02-23-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

Freddy

I was watching that rehab show and thought I saw you on it....but then they said it was Steven Adler from Guns N Roses. You remind me of him.

The idiot smoked dope...what a waste to smoke such a precious gift

pointman · #33 02-23-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

I haven't watched much AQU the last 7-10 days.. But the track had been very fair overall before that. If there's a bit of a bias toward speed right now, it will level out soon enough. The Inner Track Speed thing has really become something of an old wives' tale.

(But if speed has an advantage now, I'd run my closer, get thumped and come back in 3-4 weeks at a price hoping that Serling didn't point out the horse running against the bias on 'Trips and Traps'...)

Steve, while the track has been very fair overall, and I tip my hat off the track crew, you need look no further than yesterdays 5th race in which Indys Forum shot to the lead and never looked back, winning by 4 over City by Sea, another speed horse, who was another 4 lengths in front of the 3rd place finisher to know that the track was favoring speed. Seems like you had to be on or near the lead with a pretty ground saving trip to win the last few days. Hopefully, it will get back to playing fairly this week as I have personally really enjoyed this meet this far. That being said, I adjusted for the bias yesterday and did pretty well.

stonegossard · #34 02-23-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

The idiot smoked dope...what a waste to smoke such a precious gift

Yeah...I prefer shooting it up...then coming on here talking about Joel Rosario.

freddymo · #35 02-23-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

Yeah...I prefer shooting it up...then coming on here talking about Joel Rosario.

I know Dope and Joel is not the dope..You want to drive to Ocala (Classic Mile) and spy on my partner/trainer of Maxiom? I think I am getting the professional run around.. At least when DrugS screws me I know it is going to hurt

stonegossard · #36 02-23-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I know Dope and Joel is not the dope..You want to drive to Ocala (Classic Mile) and spy on my partner/trainer of Maxiom? I think I am getting the professional run around.. At least when DrugS screws me I know it is going to hurt

I was just near Ocala 2 weeks ago. I actually walked into some bar and they said "drinks are free". When I asked why they all started laughing and carrying on about some horse and a guy named Freddymo.

freddymo · #37 02-23-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

I was just near Ocala 2 weeks ago. I actually walked into some bar and they said "drinks are free". When I asked why they all started laughing and carrying on about some horse and a guy named Freddymo.

If they gave out an Oscar for being stupid I would have won 10 already...

miraja2 · #38 02-23-2009, 12:01 PM

Very interesting post by DrugS....but I have a question (perhaps a stupid one) regarding the Dunkirk part of it. I didn't use Dunkirk in his race on Thursday either, but is the 20 point jump really that shocking given that it was only the colt's second race? Is it possible that his much faster race the second time is the result of him actually being a much better horse at that point than he was on 1/24, rather than a track issue on that day?
Also, wouldn't we expect a colt with his pedigree to post faster numbers going two turns and 8.5f than he did going one turn and 7f? Add in the fact that his trainer has truly outstanding sprint/route and 1st time route numbers, and perhaps his major improvement is even more predictable.
Then, as you said, the other two runners from that race that have run back big (Santana Six and Ziegfeld) were both tremendously compromised by the pace that day. I know their jumps in Beyer #s were enormous, but if the pace meltdown due to a three-way battle was a big part of it, than is that good evidence of something being done to the track after their race?

stonegossard · #39 02-23-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

If they gave out an Oscar for being stupid I would have won 10 already...

Nah....you are just a good guy....a nice guy.

That's what DrugS told me to say anyways.......

The Indomitable DrugS · #40 02-23-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I didn't use Dunkirk in his race on Thursday either, but is the 20 point jump really that shocking given that it was only the colt's second race?

IMO yes. 98 is the fastest Beyer any horse in this entire crop has run in there 2nd career start and going a distance beyond 6fs. And it flirts awful close with the magical 100 number ... which only six Derby starters have done in the last 6 years ... 3 of them subsequently winning the Derby, two finishing 2nd, and the other being Showing Up.

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Is it possible that his much faster race the second time is the result of him actually being a much better horse at that point than he was on 1/24, rather than a track issue on that day?

Even if you ignore Beyers 100% - he ran light years better than he did the last time.

Last time - his main competition in the race were involved in a vicous pace battle through wicked fractions and he rated off of them - and won in a race where the final 3/8ths were almost 40 seconds flat.

In start #2 he was caught out tremendously wide going into that first turn by Prado - who abandon the mount but still felt the need to race ride him. Inspite of that he beat the field with disdainful ease. Obviously he had a right to improve some 2nd time out ... but that was serious improvement.