Andy Beyer, Dutrow, DRF

[jwkniska]

Wolfson was caught with a positive at AP a couple years ago on million preview day and had to give back the purse $$ and said he'd never ship another horse to IL.
Wish they'd have found that during the race, as that horse winning cost me all the bets I had on the race.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

Wolfson was caught with a positive at AP a couple years ago on million preview day and had to give back the purse $$ and said he'd never ship another horse to IL.

That would be wrong. The ruling was overturned on the trace levels of Class 4 medications isoxsuprine (blood flow promotion) and naproxen (equine aspirin) for which Can't Beat It tested. And additionally, Illinois changed their threshold rules to be in line with the rest of the country's racing jurisdictions.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Kasept

That would be wrong. The ruling was overturned on the trace levels of Class 4 medications isoxsuprine (blood flow promotion) and naproxen (equine aspirin) for which Can't Beat It tested. And additionally, Illinois changed their threshold rules to be in line with the rest of the country's racing jurisdictions.

Very true statement. Wolfson had a fit when this went down and 'vowed to never return to the State'. I think this year he ran a horse in a stakes at Arlington and their was an article about him returning.....

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Here's a sampling of some of the major recent Wolfson form reversals involving both his horses and himself.

* Here's the form of It's a Birds back when Todd Pletcher trained him. He ran away with last weekends $1 million Sunshine Million Classic for Wolfson.



As you can see ... the horse was pretty much non-competitive in small field allowance races and minor stakes. Pletcher tried him on all three different forms of surfaces and wasn't getting much from him.


* Here's the form of Ikigai, Rockerfeller, and Misque's Approval.

Ikigai dominated a Graded Stake at GP two Saturday's ago running a 113 Beyer. As you can see - he was a faint-hearted maiden for Pletcher. He was actually entered in a maiden claiming turf sprint the first time Wolfson got him.

Rockerfeller was a complete and utter bum with a 1-for-15 lifetime record before Wolfson got him. He consistantly ran Beyers in the 70's and had no talent at all. He was off the board in back-to-back N1X alw races at FG before being transformed into one of the nations best sprinters.

the old guy Miesque's Approval had been off the board in back to back claiming races for Bill Mott before being transfered to Wolfson. Just two starts - and less than 3 months later - he took the Sunshine Million Turf at 49/1. Two races after that he upset Artie Schiller in the Makers Mark. He capped the year with a lopsided blowout win in the Breeders Cup Mile.




It seems alarming that Wolfson is all of a sudden turning your typical maidens, claimers, and allowance horses into elite stake horses ... but what is far more troubling to me is the dramatic form reversal that Wolfson has made with his trainer profile and trainer stats.

From a decade long span between 1996 through 2005 - Wolfson has year in and year out been very consistant. His win % was between 15-to-23% - and his yearly ROI had never once risen as high as $1.80 in any of those 10 years.

Basically, the guy was just your solid 20% trainer who placed horses in spots they could win - but who's horses typically were overbet.

From '96 to '05 he was 374-for-1,869 (20% wins) $1.54 ROI.

Now, the same consistant guy who shows a 23% loss on the betting dollar over an entire decade - and never once raises his ROI as high as $1.80 for 10 straight years does the following....

2006: 44-for-168 (26% wins) $2.89 ROI
2007: 52-for-191 (27% wins) $2.15 ROI
2008: 62-for-204 (30% wins) $1.98 ROI
2009: 4-for-23 (17% wins) $2.69 ROI

From '06 to '09 he is 162-for-586 (27% wins) $2.32 ROI

A solid seven percent spike in win percentage and an otherwordly $0.78 spike in ROI!!

You ought not be a genius to see that something happened precisely between 2005 and 2006 that shifted Marty Wolfson from a solid dependable trainer into an absolute super trainer who's stable yields huge win percentages and spectacular profits from a betting standpoint.

He's obviously one of the trainers out there who has a real edge right now. Is it something illegal? Who knows. Is it something detectable? .. who knows. It would be extremely irresponsible to pretend that he doesn't.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Kasept

That would be wrong. The ruling was overturned on the trace levels of Class 4 medications isoxsuprine (blood flow promotion) and naproxen (equine aspirin) for which Can't Beat It tested. And additionally, Illinois changed their threshold rules to be in line with the rest of the country's racing jurisdictions.

didn't know they overturned it. Thanks Steve.

[pweizer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

My favorite part was Marty Wolfson.

He wants Beyer to come down and visit his barn so he can show them all the legal treatments he does to improve horses.

He should be inviting Todd Pletcher and Bill Mott to his barn ... because Wolfson has made a mockery of those two hacks.

He's winning Graded Stakes with 113 Beyers sprinting - and winning million dollar races in blowout fashion routing - with a pair of horses who stunk when Pletcher had them.

Miesque's Approval goes from sad old claimer with Mott - two races later he blows em away in the Sunshine Millions Turf at 49/1.... a few months later he wins the BC Mile by daylight. A few months after that Miesque's Approval finishes 15th beaten 30 lengths on the turf in Dubai ... but hey, he did beat home last place finisher - former miracle claimer Lava Man - who was 16th by 40 in that same Dubai race. A couple horses who didn't seem so impressive racing without those precious legal meds.

However, I was sad to read that John Ward and Joe Orseno are upset.

This was the post that I was referring to. I respect everyone's opinion. However, when people throw our accusations with no personal knowledge, it is irresponsible.

Paul

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pweizer

This was the post that I was referring to. I respect everyone's opinion. However, when people throw our accusations with no personal knowledge, it is irresponsible.

Paul

I read that post a couple of times.....where are the irresponsible accusations?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by pweizer

This was the post that I was referring to. I respect everyone's opinion. However, when people throw our accusations with no personal knowledge, it is irresponsible.

What accusations?

Marty Wolfson sounds like a nice guy. I think it's very generous of him to invite Beyer to see "some of the treatments we give, legally, that can improve a horse."

My point was that Pletcher and Mott must obviously be unaware of these great treatments Marty is legally doing....as he has quite magically transformed horses from them - and other competent and respected trainers - into classy stake horses.

[Cannon Shell]

"There are some frauds so well conducted that it would be stupidity not to be deceived by them."
Charles Caleb Colton