11/28 (HOL) Citation (Gr. I); Miesque (Gr. III)

[Travis Stone]

That was some tremendous race riding by Baze. They had to step on it just a touch to shake clear of Samyn and then relaxed well, looked to be in some trouble on the far turn, but had plenty left.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

That was some tremendous race riding by Baze. They had to step on it just a touch to shake clear of Samyn and then relaxed well, looked to be in some trouble on the far turn, but had plenty left.

He looked in trouble? Tyler never moved on the horse until he cut him loose.

I think this race is a great example of people not looking into race dynamics (meaning making Whatsthescript 6/5). I can't argue that he was usable, but he certainly wasn't 50% to win the race...

[Travis Stone]

I thought it looked like the others were starting to swarm-in but it was a quick second thought as moments later he was gone.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I thought it looked like the others were starting to swarm-in but it was a quick second thought as moments later he was gone.

Alright, I'll give you that

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Scav

He looked in trouble? Tyler never moved on the horse until he cut him loose.

I think this race is a great example of people not looking into race dynamics (meaning making Whatsthescript 6/5). I can't argue that he was usable, but he certainly wasn't 50% to win the race...

Handicappers look into race dynamics. In fact, LONE SPEED is the prime play of just about EVERY idiot out there.

The problem, however, is that (cheap) speed seems to win quite a bit more often on the CALI turf than just about any other turf course out there. This might be attributed to the hard course. Granted, that's a factor. But, my theory is that the CALI jocks just never ****in learn: either in contesting loose leaders or DRAFTING OFF THEM. You can go to a lesser track, like CRC, for example, and good luck getting out there on your own and wiring. While those jocks are no where near as good overall as the ones riding at S.CAL, they at least don't want to get bent over by an easy lead wire job.

And, the trainers just don't get it either out there. They keep horses in the barn and drill them ridiculously fast, while they could be put to better use keeping paces honest (since the jocks can't seem to be able to do it on their own).

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Handicappers look into race dynamics. In fact, LONE SPEED is the prime play of just about EVERY idiot out there.

The problem, however, is that (cheap) speed seems to win quite a bit more often on the CALI turf than just about any other turf course out there. This might be attributed to the hard course. Granted, that's a factor. But, my theory is that the CALI jocks just never ****in learn: either in contesting loose leaders or DRAFTING OFF THEM. You can go to a lesser track, like CRC, for example, and good luck getting out there on your own and wiring. While those jocks are no where near as good overall as the ones riding at S.CAL, they at least don't want to get bent over by an easy lead wire job.

And, the trainers just don't get it either out there. They keep horses in the barn and drill them ridiculously fast, while they could be put to better use by keep honest paces (since the jocks can't seem to be able to do it on their own).

I think the limited turf horse population and overubundance of alomost never rained off turf events leads to some shorter fields and the increased chance of a wire jobs by the cheaper horses in the race.

Hyperbaric I would contend though was not that cheap of speed, his form has been excellent the past few months.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Hope you got some of that exacta. It was a nice one.

Nice call Hoss!

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

11.63 penultimate 1/8th
10.95 last 1/8th

while Goldikova ran 12.03 and 11.03 for the same splits.

of course, she ran a lot more earlier (though she was pulled around the track, as she was drafting) so, yeah

this was a SUCK UP effort.

Not saying he has to win but let's, at least, interpret his last race correctly.

P.S. he also didn't change leads in the lane.

I'll be happy to elaborate on that tommorow, I just got in and I am just too tired right now, goodnight.

[alysheba4]

gomez was f%cking horrendous yesterday....

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

11.63 penultimate 1/8th
10.95 last 1/8th

while Goldikova ran 12.03 and 11.03 for the same splits.

of course, she ran a lot more earlier (though she was pulled around the track, as she was drafting) so, yeah

this was a SUCK UP effort.

Not saying he has to win but let's, at least, interpret his last race correctly.

P.S. he also didn't change leads in the lane.

Whatsthescript was given a ride to hit the board in the BC Mile, to me whether people want to agree or not it was a suck up ride, given he had post 11, I wouldn't be too critical of Gomez(he had few options). Horses as in Thorn Song and Daytona, Precious Kitten were ridden to win and worked through fractions of 23, 46.52, Whatsthescript's late run was disguised with a set of faltering pace setters and horses that were closer to pace that day that were ernestly trying to win the race, given that he was only asked to run no more a 1/4 mile that day, his numbers can be construed as misleading. Sometimes you just can't go on raw numbers, in my opinion that is just one piece of the picture here.