farve

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The Jet defense is strong when they're not playing on a short field, and when they can actually get some pressure on the QB. Rivers wasn't touched during that entire circus last night.

The Jets spent some big bucks in the offseason. Mangina will be on the hot seat if they miss the playoffs this year. There is no excuse for how bad they were last night.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The Jet defense is strong when they're not playing on a short field, and when they can actually get some pressure on the QB. Rivers wasn't touched during that entire circus last night.

they would win games if they didnt have farve..hes shot..i saw 2 more that should have been ints..i like the team and even franks was agood move..but the old man is going to bring them down......imo

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

They didn't have a whole lot of alternatives though. Kellen Clemens is garbage. I was way wrong about him and Pennington, before last Sunday had been garbage for 3 years. Not to mention his arm is connected with silly putty.

Maybe Farve is shot. He's looked awful the last 2 weeks. And like I said last night, he isn't just having issues getting the offense down, he is downright struggling with it. It's going to be a long season again.

bring back vinnie/w crebet

[moke0043]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

They didn't have a whole lot of alternatives though. Kellen Clemens is garbage. I was way wrong about him and Pennington, before last Sunday had been garbage for 3 years. Not to mention his arm is connected with silly putty.

Maybe Farve is shot. He's looked awful the last 2 weeks. And like I said last night, he isn't just having issues getting the offense down, he is downright struggling with it. It's going to be a long season again.

I agree that we don't have many alternatives, but I would like to see them put in Ratliff and see what he can do. He was not bad with Utah.

[GBBob]

Maybe playing some D Monday night might have helped too? You can't have thought he would stop throwing INts just because he changed jerseys..He is who he is...but to wish for Vinny T instead I think is a little reactionary

[ateamstupid]

Really? A 1-2 start and already we're benching the QB, firing the coach and writing off the season?

The schedule is cake save for a few games and there have been some good things to build on. Everyone take a breath.

[MaTH716]

I just don't think the Jets have the personnel (mainly at WR) to be a powerhouse offensive team. I also believe that Favre is still learning the playbook at this point, but he isn't the answer to the teams woes anyway. He is just a short term fix that will try to get them to the playoffs and make the fans forget about the PSL's. Reguardless he/they were bad in the first half last night. As far as the D goes, they seem to be good at stopping the run and have a few potential good ones in the secondary. But they just do not get enough pressure on the QB.
But it was mentioned already. Looking at the schedule this is where everyone thought they would be 1-2. They were a play or two away from being 2-1 or even 0-3. Next week at home against the Cards is one they need.

[wiphan]

The question is will Favre make it thru the whole year with that O-line? He is gettting hammered and that old body is going to give out at some point. He has always thrown interceptions and will continue to do so. Limited running game, terrible o-line, 2 decent WR's and a bad defense will make for a long, long year for Brett. He should have took the $20 million and stayed home

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by wiphan

The question is will Favre make it thru the whole year with that O-line? He is gettting hammered and that old body is going to give out at some point. He has always thrown interceptions and will continue to do so. Limited running game, terrible o-line, 2 decent WR's and a bad defense will make for a long, long year for Brett. He should have took the $20 million and stayed home

The O-Line has been a disappointment so far, but it's far from terrible. Favre has other good WR's in Smith and Stuckey, plus starter caliber TE's in Keller and Baker. The defense is not bad and Brett will be fine. We got beaten up by a desperate team that many had winning the Super Bowl before the season. Not quite as rough as, say, losing 38-13 to the Dolphins at home.

If Arizona beats us Sunday, then I agree, push the panic button. If that doesn't happen, it's absurd to write off a 2-2 team heading into a bye followed by games against Cincinnati (home), Oakland, Kansas City (home), Buffalo and St. Louis (home).

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The O-Line has been a disappointment so far, but it's far from terrible. Favre has other good WR's in Smith and Stuckey, plus starter caliber TE's in Keller and Baker. The defense is not bad and Brett will be fine. We got beaten up by a desperate team that many had winning the Super Bowl before the season. Not quite as rough as, say, losing 38-13 to the Dolphins at home.
If Arizona beats us Sunday, then I agree, push the panic button. If that doesn't happen, it's absurd to write off a 2-2 team heading into a bye followed by games against Cincinnati (home), Oakland, Kansas City (home), Buffalo and St. Louis (home).

Your right. The jets just lost to the team that got spanked by the dolphins at home, which makes them a far superior team and they have nothing to worry about. Having watched Brett Favre since 1992 you are in for a long year. He was a great QB that made his receivers better than they were earlier in his career, but last year his receivers made him look better than his stats showed. There is a reason why the packers moved on. Brett was sacked 15 times all of last year. At the current pace he will be sacked more than twice that this year. The packers protected him well and didn't let him get drilled. The Jets unfortunately don't look like they can do that. They should use Washington more and run some screen passes for him and try and protect favre more; otherwise it will be a sad end to a great career

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Your right. The jets just lost to the team that got spanked by the dolphins at home, which makes them a far superior team and they have nothing to worry about. Having watched Brett Favre since 1992 you are in for a long year. He was a great QB that made his receivers better than they were earlier in his career, but last year his receivers made him look better than his stats showed. There is a reason why the packers moved on. Brett was sacked 15 times all of last year. At the current pace he will be sacked more than twice that this year. The packers protected him well and didn't let him get drilled. The Jets unfortunately don't look like they can do that. They should use Washington more and run some screen passes for him and try and protect favre more; otherwise it will be a sad end to a great career

I don't know Sean..I think you are being a little harsh on Favre's current ablity and not giving enough credit to the fact that he just learned this offense..what...6-7 weeks ago? He can still throw the long ball as well as anyone ( Jennings could have caught that MNF throw against Denver blindfolded LY). Now, if he's going to work as hard as he did last year off the field to learn the system, I think he's still the same QB as LY, unless he gets killed back there, to your point. And with the Jets schedule, that should be good enough for 8-8 or 9-7. Now Hooves and the Favre bashers think he sucked LY and therefore sucks TY, but if the Jets wanted the same QB as the Packers had LY, I think they have him

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Maybe I'm wrong and I really hope I am. But the last 2 games remind me of the same Jets that have been disappointing me for years...

As a fellow long-suffering Jet fan, I of course am not ruling that out. All I'm saying is it's way early to be making judgments on the season, especially with the stretch of games they have coming up.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I don't know Sean..I think you are being a little harsh on Favre's current ablity and not giving enough credit to the fact that he just learned this offense..what...6-7 weeks ago? He can still throw the long ball as well as anyone ( Jennings could have caught that MNF throw against Denver blindfolded LY). Now, if he's going to work as hard as he did last year off the field to learn the system, I think he's still the same QB as LY, unless he gets killed back there, to your point. And with the Jets schedule, that should be good enough for 8-8 or 9-7. Now Hooves and the Favre bashers think he sucked LY and therefore sucks TY, but if the Jets wanted the same QB as the Packers had LY, I think they have him

You make a lot of good points. He just looks old and tired to me, kind of like he did at the NFC championship game. He is getting killed back there as well. He is on pace to get sacked 43 times compared to 15 ly. That is going to hurt him. The AFC is full of weak teams right now and I think 3 teams in the NFC east are better than any team in the AFC so yes they have a shot and of course I want them to win, that gives the pack a better draft pick. I agree they have the same QB as ly, but they don't have the same WR's or RB's as the pack had which are far superior than the Jets.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by wiphan

You make a lot of good points. He just looks old and tired to me, kind of like he did at the NFC championship game. He is getting killed back there as well. He is on pace to get sacked 43 times compared to 15 ly. That is going to hurt him. The AFC is full of weak teams right now and I think 3 teams in the NFC east are better than any team in the AFC so yes they have a shot and of course I want them to win, that gives the pack a better draft pick. I agree they have the same QB as ly, but they don't have the same WR's or RB's as the pack had which are far superior than the Jets.

I agree with all of that

Go Brets!!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I agree they have the same QB as ly, but they don't have the same WR's or RB's as the pack had which are far superior than the Jets.

You may be right about the O-Line, but you're wrong about this.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by wiphan

You make a lot of good points. He just looks old and tired to me, kind of like he did at the NFC championship game. He is getting killed back there as well. He is on pace to get sacked 43 times compared to 15 ly. That is going to hurt him. The AFC is full of weak teams right now and I think 3 teams in the NFC east are better than any team in the AFC so yes they have a shot and of course I want them to win, that gives the pack a better draft pick. I agree they have the same QB as ly, but they don't have the same WR's or RB's as the pack had which are far superior than the Jets.

And the only reason he won't get sacked 43 times is that he's going to start unloading the ball before he gets killed which is going to start turning those sacks into interceptions as the season goes on.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

im not bashing ly im bashing ty..hes done he throw to many ints and airballs imo..he cant scramble like he used to imo i feel he should have retired

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You may be right about the O-Line, but you're wrong about this.

Have you watched Greg Jennings or Donald Driver play? Greg Jennings will soon prove to be a top 5 wr in the league. A healthy Ryan Grant is far superior than TJ. Ryan grant has the same yards per carry as TJ and is not 100% right now. Greg Jennings leads the NFL in receiving yards. Where do you think you are better?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You may be right about the O-Line, but you're wrong about this.

Grant's not healthy so I'll give that a push, but top to bottom the Packers have the best WRs in the NFL, IMO (obviously)

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Have you watched Greg Jennings or Donald Driver play? Greg Jennings will soon prove to be a top 5 wr in the league. A healthy Ryan Grant is far superior than TJ. Ryan grant has the same yards per carry as TJ and is not 100% right now. Greg Jennings leads the NFL in receiving yards. Where do you think you are better?

Jennings and Driver are good, but Cotchery and Coles are underrated and both #1 WR material, and Smith, Stuckey, Baker and Keller can all play.

TJ and Grant may be a push, but Leon is way better than anything you have behind Grant.