2YO Experts - Page 2

The Indomitable DrugS · #21 06-19-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by asuTard

This is from a thread on 5-28:

I simply made an observation:

Watch out.....

....for Saarland's first crop.....They look nice.

And the breeding afficiando that calls himself "Indomitable Drugs" stated:
The DT stock has now hit it's 52 week low after that last comment.

Well Collegiate, 2YO Filly out of Saarland just put on a phucking clinic in the Belmont 2nd!!

You got any other 2yo advice that the fine members of DT should follow this summer?

Nice to see that a 400K yearling filly by Saarland can really run.

79 offerings from his crop through yearling sales - only two brought six figures - and that one was by far the most expensive.

I was wrong though - I didn't think Saarland would throw one horse worth a damn. This filly is obviously very nice.

I remember when Victory U.S.A (who cost a mere 525K) handily won her debut at Del Mar in near track record time - with Mike Smith pumping his fist and showboating before the wire. It was 6 lengths back to eventual two-year-old Grade 1 winning filly Hollywood Story in 2nd.

Victory USA's freshman sire at the time, Victory Gallop, now stands in Turkey.

One nice debut winner does not make a crop or sire - and this was BY FAR Saarland's most expensive yearling.

VOL JACK · #22 06-19-2008, 04:13 PM

I dont know which was more shocking, Saarland winning with a firster or M Henning winner with a firster.
They should just go ahead give her the Eclipse award, afterall that really looked like a stellar bunch she beat today.

The Indomitable DrugS · #23 06-19-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I expect Saarland to be a great stallion..

Great?

Rupert Pupkin · #24 06-19-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Nice to see that a 400K yearling filly by Saarland can really run.

79 offerings from his crop through yearling sales - only two brought six figures - and that one was by far the most expensive.

I was wrong though - I didn't think Saarland would throw one horse worth a damn. This filly is obviously very nice.

I remember when Victory U.S.A (who cost a mere 525K) handily won her debut at Del Mar in near track record time - with Mike Smith pumping his fist and showboating before the wire. It was 6 lengths back to eventual two-year-old Grade 1 winning filly Hollywood Story in 2nd.

Victory USA's freshman sire at the time, Victory Gallop, now stands in Turkey.

One nice debut winner does not make a crop or sire - and this was BY FAR Saarland's most expensive yearling.

Did you like the Saarland filly that Pletcher bought at Keeneland in April for $300,000? I liked that filly but I did not expect her to go for that much. I thought she would go for $150,000-$200,000.

Cannon Shell · #25 06-19-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think the Saarlands look alright. There was one at the Keeneland Two Year Old Sale that looked really good. Pletcher ended up buying her. I don't know her name but she is out of a Storm Cat mare named Joying. Keep your eye open for that one.

I bought one but already sold it. I thought they were pretty ordinary as a whole from what i saw. I really liked one at keeneland sept. late in the sale but went way too high for me.

The Indomitable DrugS · #26 06-19-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Did you like the Saarland filly that Pletcher bought at Keeneland in April for $300,000? I liked that filly but I did not expect her to go for that much. I thought she would go for $150,000-$200,000.

I thought she was ok. A few of the Saarland's at the earlier sales just seemed outright awful to me and I didn't expect much from him to start with.

asudevil · #27 06-19-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

She's out of Saarland? I couldve sworn Saarland had a scrotum..

Excuuuuse me...BY Saarland....

Payson Dave · #28 06-19-2008, 04:50 PM

...in case you are interested in following her, the Saarland 2yo filly out of Joying is named Joy of Compounding

Rupert Pupkin · #29 06-19-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I bought one but already sold it. I thought they were pretty ordinary as a whole from what i saw. I really liked one at keeneland sept. late in the sale but went way too high for me.

I think the only one that I liked from the 2 year old sales was the one that Pletcher bought. There was one other one at Ocala March that I was luke-warm on after watching the first preview, but I didn't like the horse's second preview.

There was actually one other one that I liked at Barrett's May. She only sold for $37,000 but she looked like a runner.

I doubt that Saarland will be anything special but he's probably alright standing for $5,000-$10,000.

Rupert Pupkin · #30 06-19-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave

...in case you are interested in following her, the Saarland 2yo filly out of Joying is named Joy of Compounding

Thanks Dave.

freddymo · #31 06-19-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think the only one that I liked from the 2 year old sales was the one that Pletcher bought. There was one other one at Ocala March that I was luke-warm on after watching the first preview, but I didn't like the horse's second preview.

There was actually one other one that I liked at Barrett's May. She only sold for $37,000 but she looked like a runner.

I doubt that Saarland will be anything special but he's probably alright standing for $5,000-$10,000.

You think an Unbridled out of Vtreaty is ok for 5 to 10k that was reasonablely successful on the track.. Thx your a peach..Oh BTW on 6/18 a filly smoked them in 57 at Belmont..I wait all night for post like these

Rupert Pupkin · #32 06-19-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

You think an Unbridled out of Vtreaty is ok for 5 to 10k that was reasonablely successful on the track.. Thx your a peach..Oh BTW on 6/18 a filly smoked them in 57 at Belmont..I wait all night for post like these

So are you saying that he's a steal standing for $10k? Are you going to buy a bunch of breedings to him?

freddymo · #33 06-19-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

So are you saying that he's a steal standing for $10k? Are you going to buy a bunch of breedings to him?

I will send our Tiznow mare to him at 10k in a heartbeat...DrugS is most likely throwing up on himself as he reads this

Rupert Pupkin · #34 06-19-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I will send our Tiznow mare to him at 10k in a heartbeat...DrugS is most likely throwing up on himself as he reads this

He may be a bargain at $10,000. I have no idea. It's not an exact science. So far I have only seen a limited sample of his 2 year olds. The one that ran today looked good. And I thought that a couple of his other 2 year olds looked pretty good.

His stud fee seems reasonable to me.

asudevil · #35 06-19-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

FYI: The filly is "out of" La Sorbonne....not Saarland. Horses are "by" their sires and "out of" their dams.
I would pm this to DrugS too, but something tells me he might already know it.

I know...just an oversight while I was typing. Thanks for your assistance.

Linny · #36 06-19-2008, 10:05 PM

Trainers and agents saying that they "don't like" the offerings from a particular stallion generally mean something to me. Obviously this filly was the start of her crop and her price shows it. (As an aside, I remember asking Todd Pletcher when Coronado's Quest's babies were 2, what he thought of CQ. Let's say that he was NOT impressed with the ones he had. With his breeding and looks I though CQ would do well. That's why he's Todd and I am not.)
There is a difference between a trainer/agent saying "I don't care for the Saarlands" when he's $10k and saying "I don't care for the Smarty Jones'" when he was $100k.
Let's face it, based on price alone the expectations are far higher for Smarty (or any high ticket horse) than the Saarlands etc. I don't recall a huge groundswell of horsemen praising the Distorted Humor's when they hit the weanling/yearling/2yo sales, yet he sired a Derby winner and then some in his first crop and is now one of the most expensive stallions in the world.

parsixfarms · #37 06-19-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

There is a difference between a trainer/agent saying "I don't care for the Saarlands" when he's $10k and saying "I don't care for the Smarty Jones'" when he was $100k.
Let's face it, based on price alone the expectations are far higher for Smarty (or any high ticket horse) than the Saarlands etc. I don't recall a huge groundswell of horsemen praising the Distorted Humor's when they hit the weanling/yearling/2yo sales, yet he sired a Derby winner and then some in his first crop and is now one of the most expensive stallions in the world.

That's a fair point, but even in his price range there seems to be considerably more buzz attached to the Chapel Royals and the Friends Lakes.