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Old 06-07-2008, 10:24 PM
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I'm going to give Ramon a pass on this race, did he check him late yes...but BTN is and always was a horse that always makes you sweat abit and never was an easy horse to ride, he is a horse that has one run and Ramon more often than not times it correctly on this horse. When he retires I'm sure gonna miss him, never a dull race seeing him with that patented late run.
so you dont think he has lost a step ? what are legit goals this year ? a few 2 or 3's in stakes races ?
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:30 PM
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so you dont think he has lost a step ? what are legit goals this year ? a few 2 or 3's in stakes races ?
Obviously based on his 2008 record it looks like he has.

In my opinion the FG race was probably too short for him, and the Nad El Sheba race was top notch quality. Today I thought he had a legitimate chance, even if he perhaps has lost a step. At 9 it would be hard to blame him. I also believe Motion will do right by this horse, if he's done he will do the right thing.
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:31 PM
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Obviously based on his 2008 record it looks like he has.

In my opinion the FG race was probably too short for him, and the Nad El Sheba race was top notch quality. Today I thought he had a legitimate chance, even if he has lost a step. At 9 it would be hard to blame him. I also believe Motion will do right by this horse, if he's done he will do the right thing.
agree with that
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:40 PM
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Easily J Be K
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:40 PM
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Zaftig is a serious filly. . . J Be K looked pretty good too.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:02 PM
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Zaftig is a serious filly. . . J Be K looked pretty good too.
desert key can compete with j be k
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:03 PM
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Has to be Dancing Forever followed by Stalinegrad.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:04 PM
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Has to be Dancing Forever followed by Stalinegrad.
dancing forever is in super form
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:05 PM
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Has to be Dancing Forever followed by Stalinegrad.
hey i was not the only one who liked stalinegrad, he was bet down from 20-1 to around 12-1
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:05 PM
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desert key can compete with j be k
We'll see. . . I don't really have an opinion either way at this point.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:06 PM
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Has to be Dancing Forever followed by Stalinegrad.
Good call on that horse. Wasn't one of my top choices but I used him - needed Denis for the PK4, though.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:09 PM
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We'll see. . . I don't really have an opinion either way at this point.
he did run faster then benny the bull, and the track did not change, from the 1st to the 6th.
he also finished very very strong.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:10 PM
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Good call on that horse. Wasn't one of my top choices but I used him - needed Denis for the PK4, though.
I was rooting for Big Brown but when I saw he was done I was hoping Denis could get up.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:14 PM
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he did run faster then benny the bull, and the track did not change, from the 1st to the 6th.
he also finished very very strong.
How do you know the track didn't change? Not that I'm saying it did - once again - I'm too tired to think about it right now. I do know, though, is that the way Benny closed at the end of his race was much more impressive.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:16 PM
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How do you know the track didn't change? Not that I'm saying it did - once again - I'm too tired to think about it right now. I do know, though, is that the way Benny closed at the end of his race was much more impressive.
wowowowow.......
benny did not close.... he, hmmm i am drawing a blank on the word... he clunked up, he beat classless over matched horse's... like i said in another thread, benny needed the race today and had no right winning, he won on heart and class alone. if there was a horse with any class on the front end, benny does not get close today, anyone but man of danger...
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:17 PM
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They both ran around 105 (sorry). Benny gets a pass because hes coming off the Dubai trip and it was 200 degrees when his race went off.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:20 PM
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They both ran around 105 (sorry). Benny gets a pass because hes coming off the Dubai trip and it was 200 degrees when his race went off.
desert key, beyer is around 105 ? thats huge 3rd career start.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:20 PM
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wowowowow.......
benny did not close.... he, hmmm i am drawing a blank on the word... he clunked up, he beat classless over matched horse's... like i said in another thread, benny needed the race today and had no right winning, he won on heart and class alone. if there was a horse with any class on the front end, benny does not get close today, anyone but man of danger...
once he got going he was motoring in the stretch. i still don't know what class is so i can't really comment on that.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:21 PM
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once he got going he was motoring in the stretch. i still don't know what class is so i can't really comment on that.
i disagree, strongly... benny is great, wonderful horse... but he won today because the group he faced was very weak, he looked to be in a ton of trouble, and then MAN OF DANGER decides to just stop.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:25 PM
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just watch the race again. . . I don't even know what we're arguing about at this point. . .
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