Cork him

[Round Pen]

it has really been hard for me to make a post in this thread because I have been laughing to Hard.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Drugs,
You think KD only had a firm hand on him the last furlong??

What about whem Prado tried to close the door on him, and he took back, and went to the 4-5 path to avoid trouble.

If Dennis of Cork ran in the race does that mean it wouldn't have happened?

Thats my point - I'm not saying DoC is anywhere near as good as BB - I'm saying that if he ran in the Preakness he'd atleast have run 2nd - and would have needed about a 102 or 103 Beyer to win.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

it has really been hard for me to make a post in this thread because I have been laughing to Hard.

Laughing at what?

People who think riding a horse out through the stretch makes him run open lengths faster?

I find it more annoying than funny...but whatever floats your boat.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If Dennis of Cork ran in the race does that mean it wouldn't have happened?

Thats my point - I'm not saying DoC is anywhere near as good as BB - I'm saying that if he ran in the Preakness he'd atleast have run 2nd - and would have needed about a 102 or 103 Beyer to win.

Fair enough, I like DOC.

[Bobby Fischer]

What beyer did they give out last year for the Preakness?

I don't remember. I know it was a pretty fast final time.

The track was pretty fast... Then you had a fast pace to begin with... Then Pino takes the Derby place horse Hard Spun and gives him a "Kieren Fallon"...
And then you had two BEARS to run it down and duel to the wire.

No wonder it was a fast time.

This years preakness featured a dissapearing act from the cheap pace setter TreBorachos, and a superstar trying not to inherit the lead too early at about a 1:36 clip with nothing to fear but a mishap.

[jms62]

Maybe it is the "Denis of Cork could have beaten Big Brown" statement (Leader in the clubhouse of absurd 2008 statments) that makes him laugh.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Cardus

It was either a 111 or a 112.

Would they have beaten Brown by 6.5 or 7 lengths?

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

This years preakness featured a dissapearing act from the cheap pace setter TreBorachos, and a superstar trying not to inherit the lead too early at about a 1:36 clip with nothing to fear but a mishap.

Tres Borrachos might have performed a disappearing act, but it certainly wasn't as a cheap pace setter.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Tres Borrachos might have performed a disappearing act, but it certainly wasn't as a cheap pace setter.

yea he was partying in the infield

[slotdirt]

My chart has him in 11th, then 12th, then rallies past Gayego and Riley Tucker for 10th.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by jms62

Maybe it is the "Denis of Cork could have beaten Big Brown" statement (Leader in the clubhouse of absurd 2008 statments) that makes him laugh.

Maybe you have no idea what you're talking about.

[jms62]

Well you may be right but I sure know a hell of a lot more than to say "Denis of Cork would have beaten BB" That one scores a 119 Beyer for absurd statements.. Have a nice day and bet big against BB on Belmont day. You know those 100-102 Beyers don't lie.

[Strategic Mission]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Warren can always send Denis to Dutrow after the Belmont; it'd be just like how he transferred Saint Liam from a KY trainer to Dutrow. After all, after the Belmont, Dutrow will probably be looking for a "second half" 3YO.

Tony Reinstedler and his assistant Leslie did a great job with Saint Liam. The horse was going to win as a 4yr old if he stayed with Reinstedler or left for Dutrow. Top horses win wherever they go.

Warren is the one who screwed up with Denis of Cork, not David Carroll. But considering he took Saint Liam away from Reinstedler it wouldn't surprise me if they gave Denis of Cork to Dutrow.

Dutrow relies on steroids much more than Carroll or Reinstedler and I get the feeling that is what allows Dutrow horses to make a huge jump up.

What is funny is how Dutrow says he doesn't know if steroids work but he keeps giving them the 15th of every month.

Doesn't matter. Steroids will be gone within the year.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

Tony Reinstedler and his assistant Leslie did a great job with Saint Liam. The horse was going to win as a 4yr old if he stayed with Reinstedler or left for Dutrow. Top horses win wherever they go.

Warren is the one who screwed up with Denis of Cork, not David Carroll. But considering he took Saint Liam away from Reinstedler it wouldn't surprise me if they gave Denis of Cork to Dutrow.

Dutrow relies on steroids much more than Carroll or Reinstedler and I get the feeling that is what allows Dutrow horses to make a huge jump up.

What is funny is how Dutrow says he doesn't know if steroids work but he keeps giving them the 15th of every month.

Doesn't matter. Steroids will be gone within the year.

Of course they do. That's why they're top horses, right?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by jms62

Well you may be right but I sure know a hell of a lot more than to say "Denis of Cork would have beaten BB"

First of all - I never said what you quoted - but why not take the scummy move and lie? Nice move.

If you want to see lunacy ... just read the following quote again ..

Originally Posted by Dumbass

Beyer speed figures won't do BB justice because he is dominating other horses by so much that he is wrapped up long before the race is complete. Beyers are based upon a horse going all out the entire way...

and keep in mind the year's two highest figs came with full nelson rides.

It's pretty amusing that even MisterB saw the point I was making about trips - while you couldn't.

You probably think the best horse wins every race - and you obviously don't understand trips at all.

[Strategic Mission]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Of course they do. That's why they're top horses, right?

Yes and no. It is hard to argue with the success Dutrow has had win Kip Deville and a horse like Saint Liam.

My skepticism of Dutrow though was always how much he moved up average horses say in the 9th on a typical Wednesday at Belmont. There were quite a few that came from decent barns that he moved up considerably. I just don't understand what a trainer can do to get an average horse to run much faster. I am assuming the steroids he uses must have something to do with it. There really just are not that many things that are different from trainer to trainer.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

First of all - I never said what you quoted - but why not take the scummy move and lie? Nice move.

If you want to see lunacy ... just read the following quote again ..



and keep in mind the year's two highest figs came with full nelson rides.

It's pretty amusing that even MisterB saw the point I was making about trips - while you couldn't.

You probably think the best horse wins every race - and you obviously don't understand trips at all.

You are just posting at such a high level that most of us cannot appreciate. Thank you for your patience.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

I am assuming the steroids he uses must have something to do with it. There really just are not that many things that are different from trainer to trainer.

About 70% of horses tested positive for steroids in a HUGE blind sample taken in PA a few years ago - about 90% trainers use steroids - you really think that is Dutrow's edge? Something that is used by almost everyone?

[slotdirt]

PA is one of the few states where steroid regulations have now gone into effect.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I cannot make a "figure to figure" comparison in races run one year apart and say that so-and-so would have won based upon figures.

I can't even do it one race apart.