Post This!!!!

[cmorioles]

I don't get the adulation. What else was he going to do? If anything, the 12 post stopped any chance of him trying to be clever.

[Payson Dave]

hossy... i still laugh everytime i see your sig and then your avatar.....both f'in classics

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't get the adulation. What else was he going to do? If anything, the 12 post stopped any chance of him trying to be clever.

Slide in somewhere and save a little ground.
Not go directly to the front. He let Brown run.
When you saw those fractions posted, the truth PLEASE,
did you think the horse would draw off like that?

I did not.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Slide in somewhere and save a little ground.
Not go directly to the front. He let Brown run.
When you saw those fractions posted, the truth PLEASE,
did you think the horse would draw off like that?

I did not.

Come on,man.He has the tank full.This guys horses aren't gunna really get that tired.There is no burn to feel.I wouldn't be waiting around expecting his horses to tire.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Come on,man.He has the tank full.This guys horses aren't gunna really get that tired.There is no burn to feel.I wouldn't be waiting around expecting his horses to tire.

The Dutrow black magic is suggested?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The Dutrow black magic is suggested?

Well,call it what you want,but they don't get very tired.It's not just this one horse.You see that assistant in Dubai today? They were asking her if this or that would bother THE BULL.She just was like uh no that isn't gunna be a problem.Can I go now? It was like if he gets out of the gate clean ,then done deal...loaded.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Saying that his victory proves that post position there doesn't matter is really detracting from what the horse did today.
Being that far outside going 9f at Gulfstream absolutely DOES matter. That can't be disputed by anyone with an ounce of sense. The fact that Big Brown had enough speed in the first furlong to minimize that effect is to his credit. The fact that he was able to run the last eight furlongs the way he did is evidence that this colt is indeed a very talented animal.
I bet against him today, but I suspect that most of us that did were well aware that this was certainly possible. We just didn't like those odds.

As for the ride, KD unquestionably did the right thing in this race, but was there really anything else he could have done? It wasn't like he demonstrated great decision-making today, but he did execute a rather obvious gameplan very well.

You and the rest are MISSING the POINT. It's not that breaking from the 12 hole DOESN'T matter IN GENERAL, anyone looking at numbers can see that but rather that one is able to pick out the EXCEPTIONS to the OBVIOUS.
That's what the game is really about. That's why we're here kicking it around, some more strongly than others. You can push your numbers all you want but the ability to step outside in the exceptional cases is what distinguishes someone who either makes or buys numbers from someone who has a good intuition for the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

And your stat approach, like a good deal of the others, is getting in the way of appreciating a fine ride. And who cares what the horse paid? I didn't bet him. I don't bet < 4:1. It's about making a point with all the WISEGUYS with the STATS shooting their mouths off and now resorting to pat positions to save face. Admit it, your stats got your neck chopped off, like the turkey.

Gobble, gobble

Nothing personal, by the way

So superior training techniques.
Dutrow has his horses do hill repeats or what?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What about the race Diamond Stripes ran? How many moves did he make? What about the IEAH 9th-10th double at Gulfstream? Someone was betting like they knew something.

LOL..Yeah,the Diamond Stripes race was pretty entertaining.PGRDN,they got some extra...o.k.? I don't mean to make a big deal about it,but I wouldn't expect any of them to tire much.I mean that was the original thing you were talking about(getting tired running that fraction he ran.) I'm just saying...No,I didn't expect this horse to tire today.Once he got clear...that's pretty much game over.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

hossy... i still laugh everytime i see your sig and then your avatar.....both f'in classics

I got on DT this morning, slightly groggy and the first thread I hit, there was the avatar. For a millisecond I thought WarrenT was back.

I laughed and still laugh everytime I see it.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

LOL..Yeah,the Diamond Stripes race was pretty entertaining.PGRDN,they got some extra...o.k.? I don't mean to make a big deal about it,but I wouldn't expect any of them to tire much.I mean that was the original thing you were talking about(getting tired running that fraction he ran.) I'm just saying...No,I didn't expect this horse to tire today.Once he got clear...that's pretty much game over.

Heck I just want to know what it is
if you know, cause those horses dont
stop running.
I want some for the cross-country team.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So superior training techniques.
Dutrow has his horses do hill repeats or what?

LOL...I don't know ,but it ain't like he is worried about fatigue with them.Like he said "We got to break with the field"....LOL....GAME OVER...I mean he said that,right? Like I said...Get out of the gate clean...LOL..

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Heck I just want to know what it is
if you know, cause those horses dont
stop running.
I want some for the cross-country team.

LOL..He won a B.C. Sprint with a horse who's back was messed up the monday before.He wasn't even sure the horse could make the race. That horse was owned by that guy that got run over doing what you're talking about(jogging or running for "fun.")

[SCUDSBROTHER]

PGRDN,you ever try the antacids ? They should help neutralize the Lactic Acid ya muscles will be releasing .As far as energy goes,I think it must differ quite a bit with the person.Some do well exercising 3-4 hours after eating real heavy(that's me...that's when my muscles have the most juice.) Baseball players eat like pigs after a game.I never understood that,but I guess they don't want to eat a lot before a game.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You and the rest are MISSING the POINT. It's not that breaking from the 12 hole DOESN'T matter IN GENERAL, anyone looking at numbers can see that but rather that one is able to pick out the EXCEPTIONS to the OBVIOUS.
That's what the game is really about. That's why we're here kicking it around, some more strongly than others. You can push your numbers all you want but the ability to step outside in the exceptional cases is what distinguishes someone who either makes or buys numbers from someone who has a good intuition for the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

And your stat approach, like a good deal of the others, is getting in the way of appreciating a fine ride. And who cares what the horse paid? I didn't bet him. I don't bet < 4:1. It's about making a point with all the WISEGUYS with the STATS shooting their mouths off and now resorting to pat positions to save face. Admit it, your stats got your neck chopped off, like the turkey.

Gobble, gobble

Nothing personal, by the way

Ummm okay.
If you want me to admit that I bet this race, and that I didn't bet Big Brown, and that I did that in part because he drew post 12 in a 9f race at Gulfstream....I readily admit all of it. In fact I'm pretty damn sure that I already have admitted it.
Congratulations on cracking the case.

[Oaklawnfan]

[quote=the_fat_man]The turkey comes out every morning, for 364 mornings, and runs to meet the farmer, as it knows that the farmer is coming to feed it. On the 365th day, the farmer grabs it, slits its throat, and makes a meal of it.

I love Turkey Hunting in the Ozarks. It's coming up in jussst a couple of weeks. Right after the Bluegrass Stakes and the Arkansas Derby.

[Bobby Fischer]

The fact that Electrify ran like a super-horse 2 races later, maybe makes the Desormeaux ride look even better.

Does it down-grade the speed that Big Brown showed at all?

It is something tricky for the race-watchers to study. How fast was the track really.