CushionTrack: "We'll fix or replace SA surface" - Page 2

ALostTexan · #21 01-02-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i think it's more the monty python salvador dali fanbase that would get this.

on second thought...

who wouldn't watch football played with monkeys on the player's?

i know i would.

I might actually watch a little NFL if they did...

Honu · #22 01-02-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's unfortunate that you're so self-centered and narrow minded.

The good news is that many on the backstretch don't share your myopic view of the game and situation. I hope people here realize that.

If they ran for no purse money where do you think you would be working?

Im self centered? What about you , you think its ok that someone says they get what they deserve when the track is messed up with no regard to the horses and how it screws up training.
You are such a condensending person ..... Its all about gambling yada yada yada.......well you know what its not , its about a living breathing animal , its about the time and care it takes preparing them for competition . Do you really think the groom or the hotwalker or the trainer or owner or anyone involved with the horse in the race has your 2 dollars on their mind when that horse is in the starting gate? They dont , they are thinking about all the hardwork that has went into it , they are thinking about hoping that the horse comes back ok. If that is self -centered then shame on me for thinking about the product and not you .

Honu · #23 01-02-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

true. but i'd image plenty of track employees are happy to have bettors, as are much of the staff for trainers, etc, since thousands of races not called the ky derby would disappear. no need for thousands of workers nationwide for a handful of good horses and wealthy owners.

Im sure they are tooo , Im not saying that racing doesnt need betters , Im saying that having a track that is not the way it supposed to be and having people say well they get what they deserve , they themselves are being selfish because they have no idea how it screws up the training of the horses , you know the things they gamble on .

ALostTexan · #24 01-02-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

Im self centered? What about you , you think its ok that someone says they get what they deserve when the track is messed up with no regard to the horses and how it screws up training.
You are such a condensending person ..... Its all about gambling yada yada yada.......well you know what its not , its about a living breathing animal , its about the time and care it takes preparing them for competition . Do you really think the groom or the hotwalker or the trainer or owner or anyone involved with the horse in the race has your 2 dollars on their mind when that horse is in the starting gate? They dont , they are thinking about all the hardwork that has went into it , they are thinking about hoping that the horse comes back ok. If that is self -centered then shame on me for thinking about the product and not you .

No, a great deal of them have the $2 coming back to their pocket which comes from....of yeah, the gamblers...

blackthroatedwind · #25 01-02-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

Im self centered? What about you , you think its ok that someone says they get what they deserve when the track is messed up with no regard to the horses and how it screws up training.
You are such a condensending person ..... Its all about gambling yada yada yada.......well you know what its not , its about a living breathing animal , its about the time and care it takes preparing them for competition . Do you really think the groom or the hotwalker or the trainer or owner or anyone involved with the horse in the race has your 2 dollars on their mind when that horse is in the starting gate? They dont , they are thinking about all the hardwork that has went into it , they are thinking about hoping that the horse comes back ok. If that is self -centered then shame on me for thinking about the product and not you .

You just can't get off your soap box long enough to understand the whole picture. I have the utmost respect for the people on the backstretch and the enormous amount of hard work they put forth for very little financial reward. I have the greatest respect for the animals as well. However, I don't have respect for the notion that the horseplayers interests are secondary to others as, very simply, we foot the bill for the entire show and have little to no say about anything ( partly because of backwards attitudes like yours ). The simple fact is that you could not make any living in this game without us and to completely disregard us, as you do, deserves my ultimate derision.

I didn't make any " they deserve what they get " kind of remarks. I am simply pointing out your unfortunate misunderstanding of the big picture. I care for the welfare of everyone in the game.....you don't.

Honu · #26 01-02-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's unfortunate that you're so self-centered and narrow minded.

The good news is that many on the backstretch don't share your myopic view of the game and situation. I hope people here realize that.

If they ran for no purse money where do you think you would be working?

Look at history dude , they were racing horses well before the public was betting on them and somehow they hired people to ride them and take care of them.

blackthroatedwind · #27 01-02-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

Look at history dude , they were racing horses well before the public was betting on them and somehow they hired people to ride them and take care of them.

You're kidding....right?

How many owners like there were in those days are still involved in the game?

How many races take place on the estates of the super wealthy?

You can't honestly be this out of touch.

Honu · #28 01-02-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You just can't get off your soap box long enough to understand the whole picture. I have the utmost respect for the people on the backstretch and the enormous amount of hard work they put forth for very little financial reward. I have the greatest respect for the animals as well. However, I don't have respect for the notion that the horseplayers interests are secondary to others as, very simply, we foot the bill for the entire show and have little to no say about anything ( partly because of backwards attitudes like yours ). The simple fact is that you could not make any living in this game without us and to completely disregard us, as you do, deserves my ultimate derision.

I didn't make any " they deserve what they get " kind of remarks. I am simply pointing out your unfortunate misunderstanding of the big picture. I care for the welfare of everyone in the game.....you don't.

I dont disregard you , but you are not who Im thinking about when Im preparing a horse for a race Im sorry if that hurts your feelings. Im not thinking about you when we have to train on the training track for a week , Im sorry , you just dont cross my mind , I understand the big picture but I still and always will put the horses before you , its just the way it is.

blackthroatedwind · #29 01-02-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

I dont disregard you , but you are not who Im thinking about when Im preparing a horse for a race Im sorry if that hurts your feelings. Im not thinking about you when we have to train on the training track for a week , Im sorry , you just dont cross my mind , I understand the big picture but I still and always will put the horses before you , its just the way it is.

I'm not thinking about you either....but I pay you.

Honu · #30 01-02-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're kidding....right?

How many owners like there were in those days are still involved in the game?

How many races take place on the estates of the super wealthy?

You can't honestly be this out of touch.

Im not out of touch , jus stating a fact , racing wasnt born out of gamblers , gamblers were born out of racing.

blackthroatedwind · #31 01-02-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

Im not out of touch , jus stating a fact , racing wasnt born out of gamblers , gamblers were born out of racing.

And now we support it. Using history in this situation doesn't work.

Honu · #32 01-02-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not thinking about you either....but I pay you.

You dont , Im a salary employee , if we dont win a race for 6 months I still make the same amount , you dont pay me.

blackthroatedwind · #33 01-02-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

You dont , Im a salary employee , if we dont win a race for 6 months I still make the same amount , you dont pay me.

You just don't get it....and you certainly don't want to.

Let me reiterate, the good news is that many do. The bad news is that too many people, like yourself, don't realize we're all in this together.

Danzig · #34 01-02-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

You dont , Im a salary employee , if we dont win a race for 6 months I still make the same amount , you dont pay me.

no, we pay the track thru take out, who puts up the purse money, which goes to the winners, who pay the trainers, who pays you....how long would that salary last if the betting stopped?

i still think the first race was run by two people who thought their horse was faster, and the guy who said 'go' had a side bet with two farmers who stopped plowing long enough to watch.

Honu · #35 01-02-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You just don't get it....and you certainly don't want to.

Let me reiterate, the good news is that many do. The bad news is that too many people, like yourself, don't realize we're all in this together.

I get it better than you think , I know what this game is all about , maybe I just dont get you and really to be honest have no desire to either . I digress.
Have a good nite and happy betting.

ALostTexan · #36 01-02-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

no, we pay the track thru take out, who puts up the purse money, which goes to the winners, who pay the trainers, who pays you....how long would that salary last if the betting stopped?

i still think the first race was run by two people who thought their horse was faster, and the guy who said 'go' had a side bet with two farmers who stopped plowing long enough to watch.

And I think those two farmers were BTW and Davidowitz...

blackthroatedwind · #37 01-02-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan

And I think those two farmers were BTW and Davidowitz...

Shockingly I'm not much of a farmer. I can't speak for Davidowitz however.

philcski · #38 01-02-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Shockingly I'm not much of a farmer. I can't speak for Davidowitz however.

Well... he IS from the Garden State.

goingtothewhip · #39 01-02-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

Sounds like Ron Popeil selling the Showtime Rotisserie Grill.

Are you implying that Cushion Track can also keep two vegetables "piping hot"?

If so, me and Chef Tony have some "perfection sheers" to sell you.

tiggerv · #40 01-02-2008, 11:44 PM

A FUBAR track doesn't do horsemen or gamblers any good. I suspect this ends up in litigation if too many days are lost to a bad track.

I guess I will take my pool contributions to Florida this weekend as I have no interest in betting a sealed track or synthetic swamp even if they are able to run.