Drug Free Racing

[The Indomitable DrugS]

There is drug-free professional wrestling!

After all, I was watching Court TV the other day (God only knows why!) and someone on there claimed the WWF uses drug tests that are tougher than olympic athletes are subjected to.

I think they said that after they read off a list of 100 wrestlers who died young or fairly young.

I know a bodybuilder who's really fond of using horse drugs like Winstrol, Equipoise, and Clembuteral. He's almost always in a sour mood.

I've rarely ever been more miserable than I was the day and a half after I took lasix.

All goofiness aside, it would be fantastic to see horses run on just hay, oats, and water. It could also very possibly have a positive impact on the breed. As the horses who need medication to produce their good form would possibly be weeded out of the pedigree.

But like ELA said, that's all a fantasy.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There is drug-free professional wrestling!

After all, I was watching Court TV the other day (God only knows why!) and someone on there claimed the WWF uses drug tests that are tougher than olympic athletes are subjected to.

I think they said that after they read off a list of 100 wrestlers who died young or fairly young.

I know a bodybuilder who's really fond of using horse drugs like Winstrol, Equipoise, and Clembuteral. He's almost always in a sour mood.

I've rarely ever been more miserable than I was the day and a half after I took lasix.

All goofiness aside, it would be fantastic to see horses run on just hay, oats, and water. It could also very possibly have a positive impact on the breed. As the horses who need medication to produce their good form would possibly be weeded out of the pedigree.

But like ELA said, that's all a fantasy.

Clenbuteral.

[GPK]

is there an echo in here?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by GPK

is there an echo in here?

No, just a few people who never contended for that spelling bee they show on ESPN every year.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There is drug-free professional wrestling!

After all, I was watching Court TV the other day (God only knows why!) and someone on there claimed the WWF uses drug tests that are tougher than olympic athletes are subjected to.

I think they said that after they read off a list of 100 wrestlers who died young or fairly young.

I know a bodybuilder who's really fond of using horse drugs like Winstrol, Equipoise, and Clembuteral. He's almost always in a sour mood.

I've rarely ever been more miserable than I was the day and a half after I took lasix.

All goofiness aside, it would be fantastic to see horses run on just hay, oats, and water. It could also very possibly have a positive impact on the breed. As the horses who need medication to produce their good form would possibly be weeded out of the pedigree.

But like ELA said, that's all a fantasy.

Can you give me the orgin of the word....and use it in a sentence as well?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There is drug-free professional wrestling!


But like ELA said, that's all a fantasy.

Can't say I can totally disagree with you, Honu, Cannon, ELA and others..

But I remember a lot of people saying that poly/cushion was a fantasy.

I hope everyone keeps the pressure on so things can get cleaned up in a timely manor.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Can't say I can totally disagree with you, Honu, Cannon, ELA and others..

But I remember a lot of people saying that poly/cushion was a fantasy.

I hope everyone keeps the pressure on so things can get cleaned up in a timely manor.

You are right, and I agree with you. As soon as "they" stop talking about the problem and starting doing, solving the problem. We also need a "they" to step up and take the lead.

Eric

[letswastemoney]

Well if a horse is a true bleeder.....maybe they shouldn't be in racing in the first place.......

I agree with Drugs that the bleeders of horse racing should be weeded out and then we wouldn't have to use lasix.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by GPK

Can you give me the orgin of the word....and use it in a sentence as well?

No and No.

On BodyBuilding.Com they have a few gems about this drug in its profile.

* "Clenbuterol is a very widely used drug and has quite a reputation. A good one among athletes and recreational users, and a very bad one among those people who know very little about illegal performance enhancing aids."

* "Just to demonstrate the wide use of this drug and its immense popularity among athletes, observe the US Olympic team. Exercise-induced asthma is an affliction that generally occurs in 3-7% of the population, and is in some rare cases treated with clenbuterol. In 2000, 60% of US Olympic athletes claimed to have exercise-induced asthma and ALL of them were prescribed clenbuterol for this condition. An otherwise illegal drug, tolerated solely for this reason. And this while the Romanian gymnast Andrea Raducan was stripped of her gold medal for the 25 µg of norephedrine in her cold medicine she was taking."

Athletes are getting to be as shady as bodybuilders and pro wrestlers. I'm sure more than half of our Olympians really do have asthma. But hey, it would be highly cruel for us to let them try and perform without having that drug to fight off their imaginary afflictions.

[Split Rock]

I love the idea more as a statement than anything else. I think I would like to know what Todd Pletcher and Steve Assmussen would do to clean up the sport. Anyone ever asked their opinion? Wonder what the penalty would be....

[GPK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

No and No.

On BodyBuilding.Com they have a few gems about this drug in its profile.

* "Clenbuterol is a very widely used drug and has quite a reputation. A good one among athletes and recreational users, and a very bad one among those people who know very little about illegal performance enhancing aids."

* "Just to demonstrate the wide use of this drug and its immense popularity among athletes, observe the US Olympic team. Exercise-induced asthma is an affliction that generally occurs in 3-7% of the population, and is in some rare cases treated with clenbuterol. In 2000, 60% of US Olympic athletes claimed to have exercise-induced asthma and ALL of them were prescribed clenbuterol for this condition. An otherwise illegal drug, tolerated solely for this reason. And this while the Romanian gymnast Andrea Raducan was stripped of her gold medal for the 25 µg of norephedrine in her cold medicine she was taking."

Athletes are getting to be as shady as bodybuilders and pro wrestlers. I'm sure more than half of our Olympians really do have asthma. But hey, it would be highly cruel for us to let them try and perform without having that drug to fight off their imaginary afflictions.

Your honesty is an admirable trait.

[otisotisotis]

Originally Posted by deltagulf

look its done everywhere no drugs but here in the states.
also the use of the whip doesn't have to be used to get the best out of the horses. look at the past history of racing no drugs and very sound horses. who raced more then what they do today.

after reading a biography on Man O War, i would have to say this is very untrue.
seems there was more cocaine flying around back then, than an 80's big hair band after party.

[Riot]

Clenbuterol is a very important and valuable therapy for horses that have chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Bute is a terrific therapeutic for treating inflammation and pain. Lasix prevents horses from having permanently scarred lungs and decreased lung function.

What I think is most needed is a national consistency in allowable and non-allowable medications, withdrawal times, permissable levels, etc.

And no, I don't think the racing industry, as a whole, cares to pursue this aggressively. Some do, and I do wish them success.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Honu

How do you know its not a problem ? Did you know that they train on Lasix across the pond ? I have been around too many horses from Europe with damaged lungs from bleeding in races , you think its humane to let the horses basically drown in their own blood ?
If running without Lasix is so good for the horses then how come when the Euro horses come over for the Breeders Cup and other big races they run on Lasix ?

In Australia, you can't race as a bleeder. No lasix allowed. You get about two chances to bleed, and then you are gone.

This takes care of a lot of problems. Just ban the horses from racing if they bleed.

No racing

No wins

No stud career

No worries

[Sightseek]

This is the follow-up of the recent published and questioned salix overages from the Keeneland meet. Oops, they tossed some of the split samples

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=39776

[geeker2]

A couple of timely document in the San Diego paper:



http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...z1s16bute.html


http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...16delmeds.html

[parsixfarms]

Did anyone else think that the manner in which Randy Moss addressed the Biancone situation (merely assuring the audience that Biancone believes that he did nothing wrong and that he "sleeps well at night") yesterday on ESPN's coverage of the Delaware Handicap was nothing short of pathetic?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

In Australia, you can't race as a bleeder. No lasix allowed. You get about two chances to bleed, and then you are gone.

This takes care of a lot of problems. Just ban the horses from racing if they bleed.

No racing

No wins

No stud career

No worries

wonder if that policy helps the exportation of horse meat business

But the export of horsemeat from Australia has been going on since the 1970s, though only in a small way back then. The first major export was 7777 tonnes in 1981. The biggest ever year was 1986 when 9327 tonnes were shipped out, representing the slaughter of well over 30,000 horses. After that, although it fluctuated, there was a steady decline to 6000 tonnes in 1999, then it halved again to some 3000 tonnes in 2003, representing about 10,000 horses. But the price has steadily risen, due at least in part to the mad cow disease scares causing people to turn away from beef. The approximate export value per kilogram in 2004 was $3.30 compared with $2.70 in 1999.[2] This translates to a great deal more on the dinner table, over US$50/kg according to some sources.[3]

It is not we Australians who are eating our horses because it is illegal to eat horsemeat here. It is diners mainly in Europe who are indulging, plus some Japanese. The two abattoirs in Australia licensed to export horsemeat are in fact Belgian-owned. They are at Peterborough in South Australia (Metro Velda Pty Ltd) and Caboolture abattoir in Queensland (Meramist Pty Ltd).

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Did anyone else think that the manner in which Randy Moss addressed the Biancone situation (merely assuring the audience that Biancone believes that he did nothing wrong and that he "sleeps well at night") yesterday on ESPN's coverage of the Delaware Handicap was nothing short of pathetic?

Very disappointing.. Moss had a chance to show some leadership on the subject - as Andy Beyers has! - We need others in the Media to get on board and have the guts to speakout ...Kudos to Andy !!

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

wonder if that policy helps the exportation of horse meat business

But the export of horsemeat from Australia has been going on since the 1970s, though only in a small way back then. The first major export was 7777 tonnes in 1981. The biggest ever year was 1986 when 9327 tonnes were shipped out, representing the slaughter of well over 30,000 horses. After that, although it fluctuated, there was a steady decline to 6000 tonnes in 1999, then it halved again to some 3000 tonnes in 2003, representing about 10,000 horses. But the price has steadily risen, due at least in part to the mad cow disease scares causing people to turn away from beef. The approximate export value per kilogram in 2004 was $3.30 compared with $2.70 in 1999.[2] This translates to a great deal more on the dinner table, over US$50/kg according to some sources.[3]

It is not we Australians who are eating our horses because it is illegal to eat horsemeat here. It is diners mainly in Europe who are indulging, plus some Japanese. The two abattoirs in Australia licensed to export horsemeat are in fact Belgian-owned. They are at Peterborough in South Australia (Metro Velda Pty Ltd) and Caboolture abattoir in Queensland (Meramist Pty Ltd).

I reckon there should be more of a "cull" in all jurisdictions. There is nothing wrong with thinning out the herd in my opinion.

Not a popular opinion to have though.