Wimbledon

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Strokes my good man.

Serve: Federer
Forehand: Federer
Volleying: Federer
Backhand: Federer

I really dont think there is any stroke that Nadal hits better than Federer, its as simple as that. But he knows how to win, and yes he is a very agile on the court. And his temprament is a joy. The kid thinks he can beat anyone.

And Borg is by far the best mover I have seen. Quickest feet of all time. I have never seen a man hit so many passing shots completely off the court... He was amazing.

OK, I get it.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What does that mean?

Just been through the ringer since he quit playing...most of it financial....broke my heart when I saw he had one of his Wimbledon trophies for sale....I think he got things straightened out finally is everything is okay now...

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok I will admit that I dont really know much about tennis except what I hear John McEnroe say but how can you say that #1 Nadal is not as talented as Federer and #2 Nadal is mentally tougher and always believes he can win when Federer almost always does?

Nadal looks to me to be as good as athlete as any tennis player I ever saw. The guy covers more court than anyone.

One thing that is always interesting when you get into competitive tennis is the tennis player vs athlete.....Federer is the better tennis player, but Nadal is the better athlete...I don't agree that Nadal is mentally tougher though...Federer isn't able to throw it into that gear that noone has just because he has it, he can do it cuz he is tougher than everyone else....

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Morton have you realized many people on this board like sports? There is a whole "department" devoted to it. I suggested a Mortimer section but Thebs did not go for it. I like sports Morton. A bunch.

Oh and you are free to frolick on about them as much as you wish.


I have nnnnnnnoo problem with that at all. I do reserve my right as a devotee of the Bill of Rights ( which has a wonderful memory) to merely express my opinion.



No jump back in there or you'll miss something.

Originally Posted by Samarta

One thing that is always interesting when you get into competitive tennis is the tennis player vs athlete.....Federer is the better tennis player, but Nadal is the better athlete...I don't agree that Nadal is mentally tougher though...Federer isn't able to throw it into that gear that noone has just because he has it, he can do it cuz he is tougher than everyone else....

Federer folded up tent against Nadal in the French this year. I saw it. I did not like it. He went down a step with that lack of will. He can beat Nadal on clay, he just does not think he can... at Rolan Garros anyway.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Federer folded up tent against Nadal in the French this year. I saw it. I did not like it. He went down a step with that lack of will. He can beat Nadal on clay, he just does not think he can... at Rolan Garros anyway.

For the last 3 years (on Espn and on this site too) people been so sure Federer can beat him at the French.I have no idea why they think this.He is giving his best each year at that place,and this man is (at that tournament) superior.Nadal is the best clay player ever,and people refuse to give him credit for that.You obviously don't respect him yet,or you wouldn't keep saying he is gunna get beat by Federer there.There is no evidence whatsoever that Federer can beat him at Roland Garros.The only chance is if Nadal gets injured(which is always a decent possiblity,,i.e. 2004)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For the last 3 years (on Espn and on this site too) people been so sure Federer can beat him at the French.I have no idea why they think this.He is giving his best each year at that place,and this man is (at that tournament) superior.Nadal is the best clay player ever,and people refuse to give him credit for that.You obviously don't respect him yet,or you wouldn't keep saying he is gunna get beat by Federer there.There is no evidence whatsoever that Federer can beat him at Roland Garros.The only chance is if Nadal gets injured(which is always a decent possiblity,,i.e. 2004)

Who brought Nadal's clay winning streak to a close Scuds?
Federer can beat him on any surface because he is a better player.
But Nadal has the mental toughness edge, my take.

Nadal is definitely a great clay court player but I wouldn't call him the best just yet...just like I won't say Federer is the best grass player.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For the last 3 years (on Espn and on this site too) people been so sure Federer can beat him at the French.I have no idea why they think this.He is giving his best each year at that place,and this man is (at that tournament) superior.Nadal is the best clay player ever,and people refuse to give him credit for that.You obviously don't respect him yet,or you wouldn't keep saying he is gunna get beat by Federer there.There is no evidence whatsoever that Federer can beat him at Roland Garros.The only chance is if Nadal gets injured(which is always a decent possiblity,,i.e. 2004)

Check out Borg on clay Scuds. You are forgetting or never saw.

[ArlJim78]

to me Nadal is the best I've ever seen on clay, and Roger is the best grass player for sure and also best overall player I have ever seen.

I'll go with Borg on both grass and clay surfaces, but Federer overall.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Check out Borg on clay Scuds. You are forgetting or never saw.

That guy was boring as watching eggs boil.Nobody has been better on clay than Nadal.He has won 3 French Opens in a row,and if he doesn't get injured,I think he could win even 6 or 7 in a row there.He is too good.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That guy was boring as watching eggs boil.Nobody has been better on clay than Nadal.He has won 3 French Opens in a row,and if he doesn't get injured,I think he could win even 6 or 7 in a row there.He is too good.

Borg won 5. Four in a row. When tennis was in its prime, the late 70's. Everyone played, a much larger % of people participated in tennis.

Borg was boring? You have got to be kidding...

Oh the fist pumping and the Ladies Capri shorts... I get it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Borg won 5. Four in a row. When tennis was in its prime, the late 70's. Everyone played, a much larger % of people participated in tennis.

Borg was boring? You have got to be kidding...

Oh the fist pumping and the Ladies Capri shorts... I get it.

This is the prime (as far as I am concerned.) These 2 right here,right now ....this is the best it gets.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is the prime (as far as I am concerned.) These 2 right here,right now ....this is the best it gets.

It really would be interesting to see what McEnroe and Borg could do with the rackets they have today. The ball just flies off of them. My first racket was a wood Jack Kramer. You had to hit it right in the middle. And if your strings were not gut you were at a severe disadvantage. The new rackets are much easier to control, much, much lighter, and my serve would have been very big for a short guy. You can get away with horrible mishits.

Roscoe Tanner seriously might have hit the hardest serves of all time with the rackets today.

Really the technology has changed the game so much. You could never hit a forehand over the net using a grip like they use today with the old rackets. I think Borg and a few other guys had a grip somewhat like they use today. But the game is really not the same because the ball is moving so much faster and its so much easier to hit hard with control.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I'll go with Borg on both grass and clay surfaces, but Federer overall.

so how do you take him over Federer on 2 of 3 major surfaces but say Federer is a better player?

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Who brought Nadal's clay winning streak to a close Scuds?
Federer can beat him on any surface because he is a better player.
But Nadal has the mental toughness edge, my take.

Federer beat him in Hamburg....yes it's clay, but it's as close to hard courts without being on one as you'll ever find....just because it says clay doesn't mean it's Roland Garros. Can he beat him on clay? sure...Is Nadal in his head? absolutely.....will he ever win the French......I say he's got one maybe two more legit shots....

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It really would be interesting to see what McEnroe and Borg could do with the rackets they have today. The ball just flies off of them. My first racket was a wood Jack Kramer. You had to hit it right in the middle. And if your strings were not gut you were at a severe disadvantage. The new rackets are much easier to control, much, much lighter, and my serve would have been very big for a short guy. You can get away with horrible mishits.

Roscoe Tanner seriously might have hit the hardest serves of all time with the rackets today.

Really the technology has changed the game so much. You could never hit a forehand over the net using a grip like they use today with the old rackets. I think Borg and a few other guys had a grip somewhat like they use today. But the game is really not the same because the ball is moving so much faster and its so much easier to hit hard with control.

They actually did a side by side shot of Borg/Federer's forehands and the motion was almost identical.....I saw most of the greats from the 70's and 80's play in person several times and I personally thought McEnroe was the most talented...he had the best hands of anyone that has ever played period....the guy was a magician at the net.....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Samarta

They actually did a side by side shot of Borg/Federer's forehands and the motion was almost identical.....I saw most of the greats from the 70's and 80's play in person several times and I personally thought McEnroe was the most talented...he had the best hands of anyone that has ever played period....the guy was a magician at the net.....

and he is a great announcer

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

and he is a great announcer

that he is.....you know what I thought was really cool yesterday was the little stroll on centre court that Borg, Connors, and McEnroe took before the final....nothing more than a stroll down memory lane.....would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that one.....