Bush is now a liberal.

[ShadowRoll]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I can just see Morton pounding that gavel... by God the Judge has had enough dammit.

WTF is wrong with me. Im still laughing at this little scene.

Yeah...okay.

Old Featherhead was pretty funny.

[Downthestretch55]

Pgardn,
Bush is NOT a liberal. He is a tyrant, decider, liar, and self made dictator.
He and his cabal have seriously damaged what once was a great nation.
Though this 4th of July, many will have their parades, fireworks, and beer, the words in the Declaration of independence will remain as equally forgotten as the words in the Constitution.
Bush took the action he did regarding Libby to protect his own administration, and to protect Libby from having to testify during the civil action that he faces regarding the outing of CIA covert agent Valerie Plame.
I won't be flying any flag today. This corrupt administration (by wrapping themselves within it, and defiling anyone that disagrees or challenges their absurdities) has taken every ounce of pride I once felt when I saw the red, white, and blue flapping in the wind. Now it seems that all that's true is the wind.
So, put away your flags.
http://www.progressive.org/media_mpzinn070106

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
Bush is NOT a liberal. He is a tyrant, decider, liar, and self made dictator.
He and his cabal have seriously damaged what once was a great nation.
Though this 4th of July, many will have their parades, fireworks, and beer, the words in the Declaration of independence will remain as equally forgotten as the words in the Constitution.
Bush took the action he did regarding Libby to protect his own administration, and to protect Libby from having to testify during the civil action that he faces regarding the outing of CIA covert agent Valerie Plame.
I won't be flying any flag today. This corrupt administration (by wrapping themselves within it, and defiling anyone that disagrees or challenges their absurdities) has taken every ounce of pride I once felt when I saw the red, white, and blue flapping in the wind. Now it seems that all that's true is the wind.
So, put away your flags.
http://www.progressive.org/media_mpzinn070106

Sorry, won't be taking my flag down.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
Bush is NOT a liberal. He is a tyrant, decider, liar, and self made dictator.
He and his cabal have seriously damaged what once was a great nation.
Though this 4th of July, many will have their parades, fireworks, and beer, the words in the Declaration of independence will remain as equally forgotten as the words in the Constitution.
Bush took the action he did regarding Libby to protect his own administration, and to protect Libby from having to testify during the civil action that he faces regarding the outing of CIA covert agent Valerie Plame.
I won't be flying any flag today. This corrupt administration (by wrapping themselves within it, and defiling anyone that disagrees or challenges their absurdities) has taken every ounce of pride I once felt when I saw the red, white, and blue flapping in the wind. Now it seems that all that's true is the wind.
So, put away your flags.
http://www.progressive.org/media_mpzinn070106

no way! regardless of who's in the white house! this country is much more than any one man.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no way! regardless of who's in the white house! this country is much more than any one man.

Amen to that.

Originally Posted by Danzig

no way! regardless of who's in the white house! this country is much more than any one man.

This is why there is so much criticism DTS. If you dont have some criticism, the people that make up this country are not participating trying to make it better. You think there are a bunch of liberal blogs circulating in Cuba railing against Castro?
And I was being sarcastic about Bush being liberal. If you want to get your friends off just pardon them and quit trying to justify it getting yourself in deeper water. And I believe Bush will eventually pardon Libby before he leaves office.

Flag represents our Constitution for me... not the administration currently in office.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is why there is so much criticism DTS. If you dont have some criticism, the people that make up this country are not participating trying to make it better. You think there are a bunch of liberal blogs circulating in Cuba railing against Castro?
And I was being sarcastic about Bush being liberal. If you want to get your friends off just pardon them and quit trying to justify it getting yourself in deeper water. And I believe Bush will eventually pardon Libby before he leaves office.

Flag represents our Constitution for me... not the administration currently in office.

Pgardn,
There is a comment, well said, that this country is bigger than one man.
I don't want to get into a "liberal" vs "conservative" arguement. For sure, all Americans are free (or should be) to express their ideas. And, yes, the Constitution has been torn, trampled under foot and used to wipe prior to flushing by the current fascist thugs.
Underneath all of this nonsense is the "belief" in "nationalism".
Sad to break the news, but it's a creation.
So many that feel the need to ask God to bless this country, protect it, or even claim (as Bush did today in West Virginia) that dictating the way one expresses their beliefs needs to be challenged, or worse, fought wars over.
At the core of it all is my own belief, and it starts with a God that loves me.
His words, "I AM the Lord your God, you shall not have any other gods before me."
Though many have bent their knees at the great altar of the self proclaimed decider, the one who has said he's spoken to his "father" on his quest for genocide, lies, deceit, and destruction...they are allowed to, if that is their choice. I don't think they're right, but I'm allowed to say so.
Anyway, this mess really isn't a "right"/"left" issue, but rather a "right"/"wrong" issue.
Worship any "gods" you want. Bush isn't God, nor do I believe that he represents Him, anymore than he represents the truths on which this country was founded.
Here's Keith O's comment, if you haven't read it....
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/04/2279/

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
There is a comment, well said, that this country is bigger than one man.
I don't want to get into a "liberal" vs "conservative" arguement. For sure, all Americans are free (or should be) to express their ideas. And, yes, the Constitution has been torn, trampled under foot and used to wipe prior to flushing by the current fascist thugs.
Underneath all of this nonsense is the "belief" in "nationalism".
Sad to break the news, but it's a creation.
So many that feel the need to ask God to bless this country, protect it, or even claim (as Bush did today in West Virginia) that dictating the way one expresses their beliefs needs to be challenged, or worse, fought wars over.
At the core of it all is my own belief, and it starts with a God that loves me.
His words, "I AM the Lord your God, you shall not have any other gods before me."
Though many have bent their knees at the great altar of the self proclaimed decider, the one who has said he's spoken to his "father" on his quest for genocide, lies, deceit, and destruction...they are allowed to, if that is their choice. I don't think they're right, but I'm allowed to say so.
Anyway, this mess really isn't a "right"/"left" issue, but rather a "right"/"wrong" issue.
Worship any "gods" you want. Bush isn't God, nor do I believe that he represents Him, anymore than he represents the truths on which this country was founded.
Here's Keith O's comment, if you haven't read it....
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/04/2279/

Keith makes good points but limits his comments to Nixon and Bush, what about Democratic misuse of the pardon? Anyway, Bush seems to sink further and further into the ideology of "divine right"...and he's scaring the hell out of me!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Keith makes good points but limits his comments to Nixon and Bush, what about Democratic misuse of the pardon? Anyway, Bush seems to sink further and further into the ideology of "divine right"...and he's scaring the hell out of me!

No doubt, Somerfrost. Scares me, and most of the other inhabitants of the planet as well.
Here's what he said when he was Governor of Texas, “I don’t believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own, unless there are new facts or evidence of which a jury was unaware, or evidence that the trial was somehow unfair.” - GWB

And, obviously, DaHoss didn't take the time to read Howard Zinn's article about putting away the flag. Oh well.
Seems that when beleivers are confronted with truth, they still cling to their "beliefs".
"And so it goes." - Kurt Vonnegut

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Keith makes good points but limits his comments to Nixon and Bush, what about Democratic misuse of the pardon? Anyway, Bush seems to sink further and further into the ideology of "divine right"...and he's scaring the hell out of me!

didn't charles the first talk quite often of divine right?

it's funny in an ironic sort of way that bush is leading the charge against religious zealots who claim they are doing the work of the lord, while saying he is doing the work of the lord.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

No doubt, Somerfrost. Scares me, and most of the other inhabitants of the planet as well.
Here's what he said when he was Governor of Texas, “I don’t believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own, unless there are new facts or evidence of which a jury was unaware, or evidence that the trial was somehow unfair.” - GWB
And, obviously, DaHoss didn't take the time to read Howard Zinn's article about putting away the flag. Oh well.
Seems that when beleivers are confronted with truth, they still cling to their "beliefs".
"And so it goes." - Kurt Vonnegut

he didn't pardon him, said that a jury found him guilty. he only cut off the jail time--which many felt was excessive, and it was his right. had libby been allowed to remain free while appealing, this probably would not have happened. coincidentally, phil spector, on trial for murder, remains out on bond throughout his trial.

DTS.

This is a country of ideas about how humans should be treated while at the same time attempting to run a civil society that works. And those ideas and attempts are some of the most noble ever created, God induced or not, it does not matter. Its the idea behind how a society made of many can function while at the same time giving individual's certain rights. An extremely difficult balancing act that WE attempt to pursue.

And Keith Olberman is a very bright man who is completely full of himself. I dont know of an individual alive that does not live with some sort of personal contradictions in their beliefs if they really choose to examine stances closely. Some admit it, and even point it out. Others believe everything they say and do with an unrelenting zeal and never pause for self reflection of their beliefs. They lie to themselves.
Olberman is an entertainer.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig

he didn't pardon him, said that a jury found him guilty. he only cut off the jail time--which many felt was excessive, and it was his right. had libby been allowed to remain free while appealing, this probably would not have happened. coincidentally, phil spector, on trial for murder, remains out on bond throughout his trial.

Danzig,
Commutation protects Libby from the civil action until the appeal is resolved.
He was found guilty by a jury of his peers, after an investigation by a special prosecutor (appointed by Bush), in a court presided over by a judge that was also appointed by Bush.
Libby is absolved and will serve no time for his four felonies (obstrucion of justice-guilty). That's a lot less than Paris Hilton served for her misdemeanor.
Many others that have been found guilty of the same charge of obstruction of justice (330, and I need to search for the link) have not been afforded the same consideration. "With liberty and justice for all" -Pledge of Alligience

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

DTS, I didn't take the time to read it, nor anything else you cut and paste on here. Frankly, I don't care what Howard Zinn's thoughts are. If by calling me a believer, you are insinuating that I am a fan of Bush or his administration, you couldn't be more wrong, although you being wrong certainly isn't anything new to us here at Derby trail.

The truth of the matter is that I actually agree with a good deal of what you say, but see, since you are so wrapped up in yourself, you lose those who do agree with you. You know what, you're right. So far today i haven't thought about the Declaration of Independance or the Constitution once. I am enjoying my day off from work. My friends are coming over in a bit and we are going to have a good time. Is that so bad? You should try it sometime.

Life's too short to spend all day worrying about stuff you cannot control, because if you really did care you would be spreading your message somewhere other than a horse racing board. Get over yourself and get out of your basement. Turn some lights on in the house and enjoy the day.

Dahoss,
Nice words. enjoy your day off.
"What, me worry?" Alfred E Newman

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Danzig,
Commutation protects Libby from the civil action until the appeal is resolved.
He was found guilty by a jury of his peers, after an investigation by a special prosecutor (appointed by Bush), in a court presided over by a judge that was also appointed by Bush.
Libby is absolved and will serve no time for his four felonies (obstrucion of justice-guilty). That's a lot less than Paris Hilton served for her misdemeanor.
Many others that have been found guilty of the same charge of obstruction of justice (330, and I need to search for the link) have not been afforded the same consideration. "With liberty and justice for all" -Pledge of Alligience

no, no jail time. but still has to pay out a quarter of a million dollars.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, no jail time. but still has to pay out a quarter of a million dollars.

250 donors at a 1000 GOP dinner.
Speaking engagements, book deals, Cheney hush money?
Don't cry for Scooter. The "family" protects its own.
He'll be fine, just fine.

[Mortimer]

am enjoying my day off from work. My friends are coming over in a bit and we are going to have a good time.
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Running late.....but will be there.......please delay start of exotic dancers.

[Mortimer]

Oh...






...I have gagged Darden.

[Mortimer]

I could have attended hundreds of other gatherings.












.....But noooooOOOOOOOO.....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

250 donors at a 1000 GOP dinner.
Speaking engagements, book deals, Cheney hush money?
Don't cry for Scooter. The "family" protects its own.
He'll be fine, just fine.

who the hell is crying for him? not me.
'the family'? that reminds me, we watched the godfather the other day.