Post Position Draw List - Page 2

ArlJim78 · #21 05-02-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17

Well none, but the inside is much worse than the outside (in my opinion). I would be shocked if they took and inside post (unless that is their only option).

look, the horse certainly has enough natural speed to break from the three hole and secure a reasonable running position while not totally compromising his running style. Did you notice in the Ark Derby with a shorter run to the turn he used that speed initially to deny Deadly Dealer an easy path to the rail?

An outside post would not be the end of the world for him either. In fact I think the PP draw is not that important in the derby. Except maybe for 1-2 and 19 and 20.

Cajungator26 · #22 05-02-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

How does everyone use the post positions. . . Do you toss all the outside horses? It shouldn't matter for closers (except maybe Street Sense) but if a horse like Any Given Saturday or Dominican (style wise) gets post 20 do they have a shot?

I take PP into consideration... definitely. The chances of a horse winning out of one of the far outside posts are probably slim.

Past winning post positions (past 20 years):

1986 - 1
1987 - 4
1988 - 8
1989 - 10
1990 - 7
1991 - 4
1992 - 7
1993 - 6
1994 - 6
1995 - 11
1996 - 4
1997 - 6
1998 - 2
1999 - 11
2000 - 12
2001 - 16
2002 - 5
2003 - 6
2004 - 15
2005 - 10
2006 - 8

miraja2 · #23 05-02-2007, 11:28 AM

Thank god Storm in May and Teuflesberg got the top two selections. It would have been a real shame if their chances had been compromised by poor post positions.

Cajungator26 · #24 05-02-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Thank god Storm in May and Teuflesberg got the top two selections. It would have been a real shame if their chances had been compromised by poor post positions.

Too funny...

miraja2 · #25 05-02-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I take PP into consideration... definitely. The chances of a horse winning out of one of the far outside posts are probably slim.

Past winning post positions (past 20 years):

1986 - 1
1987 - 4
1988 - 8
1989 - 10
1990 - 7
1991 - 4
1992 - 7
1993 - 6
1994 - 6
1995 - 11
1996 - 4
1997 - 6
1998 - 2
1999 - 11
2000 - 12
2001 - 16
2002 - 5
2003 - 6
2004 - 15
2005 - 10
2006 - 8

You forgot one.
2007 - 9.

Cajungator26 · #26 05-02-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

You forgot one.
2007 - 9.

That's right! Since horses coming out of the 9 hole haven't won in 20 years, I'm starting to doubt my dream!

somerfrost · #27 05-02-2007, 11:34 AM

When Curlin's connections select, I suspect #3 will be gone, a horse looking to show early speed will take #3, even #2 if they are dead set on gunning it. Certainly 20, 19, and 18 will remain along with #1...I suspect they will have to choose between #2 and #17.

miraja2 · #28 05-02-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

That's right! Since horses coming out of the 9 hole haven't won in 20 years, I'm starting to doubt my dream!

That just means the 9-hole is due.
BUT.....what are we going to do if Cowtown Cat draws post 9?
Whose psychic abilities will win out....yours or mine?

Cajungator26 · #29 05-02-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

When Curlin's connections select, I suspect #3 will be gone, a horse looking to show early speed will take #3, even #2 if they are dead set on gunning it. Certainly 20, 19, and 18 will remain along with #1...I suspect they will have to choose between #2 and #17.

Curlin really has it up against him...

Cajungator26 · #30 05-02-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

That just means the 9-hole is due.
BUT.....what are we going to do if Cowtown Cat draws post 9?
Whose psychic abilities will win out....yours or mine?

Hopefully mine, but I won't hold my breath on that one!

whodey17 · #31 05-02-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jman5581

You obviously haven't seen Curlin in person...far from "frail."

Actually I have. I have seen him the past 3 days. There is a reason this horses didnt start at age 2 and I think it is because he is frail.

Cajungator26 · #32 05-02-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17

Actually I have. I have seen him the past 3 days. There is a reason this horses didnt start at age 2 and I think it is because he is frail.

I have heard that Curlin is smallish, but the horse I'd consider 'frail' would be Circular Quay...

jman5581 · #33 05-02-2007, 11:38 AM

Well, he's a fast frail then... you're being over the top.

whodey17 · #34 05-02-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

look, the horse certainly has enough natural speed to break from the three hole and secure a reasonable running position while not totally compromising his running style. Did you notice in the Ark Derby with a shorter run to the turn he used that speed initially to deny Deadly Dealer an easy path to the rail?

An outside post would not be the end of the world for him either. In fact I think the PP draw is not that important in the derby. Except maybe for 1-2 and 19 and 20.

oh come on, you cant seriously compare the Ark Derby field to this field. In addition, the turn is so quick at Ark and the turn at Churchill is much much longer. I agree he has tatical speed, but I dont think he would be able to secure a position by the first turn.

jman5581 · #35 05-02-2007, 11:40 AM

good thing the race isn't over at the first turn.

whodey17 · #36 05-02-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jman5581

Well, he's a fast frail then... you're being over the top.

Fast doesnt equate to being frail or vice versa. The horse is on the small side and I think he isnt that study of an animal. I think if he gets bounced around he will call it quits.

tycharles01 · #37 05-02-2007, 11:42 AM

Any chance even tho SS has a good pick will take #3??? Dominican at #2 who is not fast out of the blocks

SS takes #3 and rides the rail??? Rather have him close to the closers rather than in the middle getting banged up some with Teuflesberg and others goin to the lead

jman5581 · #38 05-02-2007, 11:42 AM

I'm just messing with you.... this stuff happens every year with the post position draws...

I'm more worried about Dominican than anyone.... poor guy will get stuck with the 1 or 20. For him, being outside and clear would probably be the best of the two.

jpops757 · #39 05-02-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

look, the horse certainly has enough natural speed to break from the three hole and secure a reasonable running position while not totally compromising his running style. Did you notice in the Ark Derby with a shorter run to the turn he used that speed initially to deny Deadly Dealer an easy path to the rail?

An outside post would not be the end of the world for him either. In fact I think the PP draw is not that important in the derby. Except maybe for 1-2 and 19 and 20.

While I agree PPdraw shouldnt hurt Curlin, when he draws one of the post you say that can be a problem will be what is available to him.

somerfrost · #40 05-02-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jman5581

good thing the race isn't over at the first turn.

It can be if you are stuck inside and bumped around...the run to the first turn is critical in any route race but 10x so in the Derby!