Jara on thin ice with Al Maktoum

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

haha, and payson dave wasnt referring to you!

No comments from the peanut gallery! LMAO

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It'd be nice if you guys could refrain from using the Arab comments. This could have been any owner doing this... JMO.

Caj, I don't care what he is, Arab, Japanese, American, Mexican Or Filapino, it doesn't matter, this one happened to be Arabian.......that's not the point.

And Linny does speak to this in her second post, "leaving something in the tank."

Part of this, is competition among themselves between the Shiekhs. Thoughts we are not privy to.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I have personally felt that Jara's style is a plus, and fits the horse very well.
He is on the best horse and he rides him confidently enough to get the win each time.

I like the fact that he wins without resorting to a frantic full on drive for the final furlong. He hasn't needed to do that to win, so why do it and unnecessarily use the horse.

Of course Invasor could have won by larger margins if he were ridden more aggressively, but what would be the point? I can see maybe targeting a specific race where they might want to race against the clock and go all out, full throttle. But I don't think he needs to do that every time. No problem winning against the best in the world by only 2-3 lengths.

While I agree that his looking back didnt hinder his rally. A question though? If this wast a "Target Race", what would you call it? The shiek might sound crazy, but he does have a valid point. You try to fix something before its broke. Jara is a good fit for this monster but lets fine tune it a little better. Nineteen and still learning. Wasntt this something that could help him in the future?

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It'd be nice if you guys could refrain from using the Arab comments. This could have been any owner doing this... JMO.

Yes, I understand. Still, 99% of all owners couldn't ride a hog thru a phone booth, but they love to share with their trainers and jocks their instructions and their comments after the race has been run.

In other words, it ain't their gig.

[ARyan]

What an A-hole!

[Linny]

GRITS, I am defending Jara. The kid did what any good rider does, he evaluates the race at the top of the lane. From his vantage he has to assume that DC is the main threat. He doesn't know the colt has nothing. He has to peek back to be sure that DC is NOT rolling up into the race. If he were, Invasor might have been caught.
Of course they are "what-ifs" but covering your bases (with DC) while asking your horse to pass the rival at hand (PT) is good race riding sense. I often critisize jocks for riding too many horses and not their own. That's said, when there appears 9at least going in) that there is one horse that you have to beat, you must know where he is, at all times.
Do you think Cauthen wasn't mindful of where Alydar was every time? Do you think that all those jocks riding against Forego or Secretariat were unconcerned about those two's whereabouts? NOPE.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

haha, and payson dave wasnt referring to you!

Thank you AT.... I'll be sending ya some more flowers now

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Grits

Caj, I don't care what he is, Arab, Japanese, American, Mexican Or Filapino, it doesn't matter, this one happened to be Arabian.......that's not the point.

And Linny does speak to this in her second post, "leaving something in the tank."

Part of this, is competition among themselves between the Shiekhs. Thoughts we are not privy to.

I think the point is that if the owner were a black guy, there is no way in hell you would have said, "Let the Black ride him himself next time."

[Grits]

Yes Linny, sure they were. I just believe all that was said to this rider after winning, and in this particular case going on record, was unfortunate.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think the point is that if the owner were a black guy, there is no way in hell you would have said, "Let the Black ride him himself next time."

Oh Bull****, go back to handicapping Hawthorne or wherever you were, Brian.

I'm not listening to this drivel, as you so often call it.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Grits

Oh Bull****, go back to handicapping Hawthorne or wherever you were, Brian.

I'm not listening to this drivel, as you so often call it.

So you would say that? Good to know. I totally underestimated you.

Why on earth is it drivel to point out that you couldn't refrain from saying something that some found not wholly appropriate?

"Let the Arab...."

Awesome.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think the point is that if the owner were a black guy, there is no way in hell you would have said, "Let the Black ride him himself next time."

That's kind of the way I saw it too, but whatever...

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

I was not referring to yours I was referring to Grits's...

Now when you mentioned Arabs...it immediately brings to mind the desert...which brings to mind the song...

Sorry, Dave!

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Grits

Yes, I understand. Still, 99% of all owners couldn't ride a hog thru a phone booth, but they love to share with their trainers and jocks their instructions and their comments after the race has been run.

In other words, it ain't their gig.

Yeah it is, Grits. They pay the bills. They OWN the horse. They're allowed to say whatever they want. If the Sheikh didn't like part of the way Jara rode, he is WELL within his rights to say so.

Personally, I thought the comments were a little surprising, but I really don't think much of them more than that Hamdan is a very demanding guy.

If you recall after Jazil won the Belmont last year in the press conference Kiaran McLaughlin was asked about future plans and he said something to the effect of: "we'll see what Hamdan has to say, he pretty much calls the shots." Clearly Sheikh Hamdan is a demanding guy. I'm sure young Fernando does not have his feelings hurt. If so, I bet there are quite a few top notch riders all over the world who are willing to take the mount.

NT

[SniperSB23]

I think that a jockey shouldn't look back until he's clear of the field and wants to make sure he can gear the horse down. Looking back and knowing a horse is coming isn't going to give you any more horse underneath you to hold off the charge. All it can do is cost the horse momentum. So while I disagree with Jara's move I think it was absolutely wrong of Shiekh Hamdan to go public with his displeasure especially since Jara won the race.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

So you would say that? Good to know. I totally underestimated you.

Why on earth is it drivel to point out that you couldn't refrain from saying something that some found not wholly appropriate?

"Let the Arab...."

Awesome.

Brian, sorry sweetheart had the owner been French, I would have stated, "the Frenchman". Had the owner been English, "the Englishman or "the Brit". The owner an Australian, "the Aussie." The owner, a black African American, "the American."

You'd do better not attempting, in this particular case, to insult my intelligence.

That is why I find your comment to be drivel. Simply put, you are wrong.

Now, how good are you at apologizing?

Done here.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Grits

Brian, sorry sweetheart had the owner been French, I would have stated, "the Frenchman". Had the owner been English, "the Englishman or "the Brit". The owner an Australian, "the Aussie." The owner, a black African American, "the American."

You'd do better not attempting, in this particular case, to insult my intelligence.

That is why I find your comment to be drivel. Simply put, you are wrong.

Now, how good are you at apologizing?

Done here.

When I've done something wrong, very good. Too bad calling you out on your Arab comment does not qualify.

G'day "sweetheart."

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Grits

Brian, sorry sweetheart had the owner been French, I would have stated, "the Frenchman". Had the owner been English, "the Englishman or "the Brit". The owner an Australian, "the Aussie." The owner, a black African American, "the American."

You'd do better not attempting, in this particular case, to insult my intelligence.

That is why I find your comment to be drivel. Simply put, you are wrong.

Now, how good are you at apologizing?

Done here.

Are you suggesting that brian should apologize for correctly calling you out on your use of racial slurs? I guess you are right Grits. If people don't want to be racist.....I guess that is okay.....as long as they apologize for it.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

I was not referring to yours I was referring to Grits's...

Now when you mentioned Arabs...it immediately brings to mind the desert...which brings to mind the song...

I dream of rain
I dream of gardens in the desert sand
I wake in vain
I dream of love as time runs through my hand

I dream of fire
Those dreams that tie two hearts that will never die
And near the flames
The shadows play in the shape of the mans desire

This desert rose
Whose shadow bears the secret promise
This desert flower
No sweet perfume that would torture you more than this

And now she turns
This way she moves in the logic of all my dreams
This fire burns
I realize that nothings as it seems

I dream of rain
I dream of gardens in the desert sand
I wake in vain
I dream of love as time runs through my hand

I dream of rain
I lift my gaze to empty skies above
I close my eyes
The rare perfume is the sweet intoxication of love

I dream of rain
I dream of gardens in the desert sand
I wake in vain
I dream of love as time runs through my hand

Sweet desert rose
Whose shadow bears the secret promise
This desert flower
No sweet perfume that would torture you more than this

Sweet desert rose
This memory of hidden hearts and souls
This desert flower
This rare perfurme is the sweet intoxication of love

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I dream of rain
I dream of gardens in the desert sand
I wake in vain
I dream of love as time runs through my hand

I dream of fire
Those dreams that tie two hearts that will never die
And near the flames
The shadows play in the shape of the mans desire

This desert rose
Whose shadow bears the secret promise
This desert flower
No sweet perfume that would torture you more than this

And now she turns
This way she moves in the logic of all my dreams
This fire burns
I realize that nothings as it seems

I dream of rain
I dream of gardens in the desert sand
I wake in vain
I dream of love as time runs through my hand

I dream of rain
I lift my gaze to empty skies above
I close my eyes
The rare perfume is the sweet intoxication of love

I dream of rain
I dream of gardens in the desert sand
I wake in vain
I dream of love as time runs through my hand

Sweet desert rose
Whose shadow bears the secret promise
This desert flower
No sweet perfume that would torture you more than this

Sweet desert rose
This memory of hidden hearts and souls
This desert flower
This rare perfurme is the sweet intoxication of love

wow that's nice...but all I wanted was a Bud Lite