Manners

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Well said Bruce (thats your name is it not?)

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I disagree. Just because someone finds another person to pay them for giving an opinion does not make them an expert on a damn thing. The horse business is rife with old monied people who find their way into the business on the shoestrings of their family wealth. The younger ones show up on message boards and in-house racetrack tv programs and just babble on and on about their "paid expertise" in a manner reflecting their attitude of righteous self-entitilement. Their actual earnings from their sponsored nepotism "employment" pale in comparison to the interest income on their trust funds. If this weren't true, they'd dress a hell of a lot better. The older children of the blue-blood at least have the good sense to blend seemlessly into the background at the clubhouse bar.

If given the choice and need for an "Expert" opinion on most anything, especially related to horse racing, I'd go with the more experience person who earned their stripes and got their scars going through the ranks. The last person I'd listen to is a younger child of privilege who never has and likely never will experience the consequences of being wrong.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I disagree. Just because someone finds another person to pay them for giving an opinion does not make them an expert on a damn thing. The horse business is rife with old monied people who find their way into the business on the shoestrings of their family wealth. The younger ones show up on message boards and in-house racetrack tv programs and just babble on and on about their "paid expertise" in a manner reflecting their attitude of righteous self-entitilement. Their actual earnings from their sponsored nepotism "employment" pale in comparison to the interest income on their trust funds. If this weren't true, they'd dress a hell of a lot better. The older children of the blue-blood at least have the good sense to blend seemlessly into the background at the clubhouse bar.

If given the choice and need for an "Expert" opinion on most anything, especially related to horse racing, I'd go with the more experience person who earned their stripes and got their scars going through the ranks. The last person I'd listen to is a younger child of privilege who never has and likely never will experience the consequences of being wrong.

I've got more scars than a burn victim. Noone ever handed me a damn thing. I slept in a big closet at some friends house one semester at college because I couldnt afford to rent a place and pay tuition.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I disagree. Just because someone finds another person to pay them for giving an opinion does not make them an expert on a damn thing. The horse business is rife with old monied people who find their way into the business on the shoestrings of their family wealth. The younger ones show up on message boards and in-house racetrack tv programs and just babble on and on about their "paid expertise" in a manner reflecting their attitude of righteous self-entitilement. Their actual earnings from their sponsored nepotism "employment" pale in comparison to the interest income on their trust funds. If this weren't true, they'd dress a hell of a lot better. The older children of the blue-blood at least have the good sense to blend seemlessly into the background at the clubhouse bar.

If given the choice and need for an "Expert" opinion on most anything, especially related to horse racing, I'd go with the more experience person who earned their stripes and got their scars going through the ranks. The last person I'd listen to is a younger child of privilege who never has and likely never will experience the consequences of being wrong.

Some of what you're saying is true. There are some paid experts out there that aren't very sharp. This is true in all fields. There are doctors out there that are terrible doctors. There are lawyers out there that are totally incompetent. There are people out there with no degees in law that could go into a courtroom tomorrow and do a better job than some licensed attorneys.
I'm well aware that there are incompetent people in all fields. There are plenty of licensed trainers out there that don't have a clue. I am well aware of that.
However, I was referring to people that truly are experts in their fields, people with proven track records that really know their business. There are such people out there in all fields including horseracing. I could give you a ton of examples. Let's take Nial Brennan for example. He is one of the most successful pinhookers in the country. He and Mike Ryan are incredibly good at picking out yearlings. I don't think there is anyone that would dispute that these guys are experts at picking out yearlings. These guys make millions of dollars pinhooking. It is truly amazing when you go to 2 year old sales how Brennan's horses stand out. I don't even look to see who the consignor is on any of the horses until I have watched all the workouts and made my list. At the Fasig Tipton Calder sale, there were a little over 300 horses in the sale. I had a list of about 20 horses that I really liked. Out of those 20 horses, I believe that 10 were Nial Brennan horses. I can say the same thing at the Keeneland 2 year old sale. Of all the horses on my list, I think that about 45% of them were Brennan horses. He has the best horses at the 2 year old sales because he and Mike Ryan pick the best yearlings. They are experts at it. Practically every yearling they pick can run. When it comes to assessing the ability of yearlings is the opinion of Mike Ryan and Nial Brennan more valuable than the opinion of your average guy? Of course, absolutely.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

i would expect that a certain amount of friendly name calling ang jabbing would be allowed.

but at what point does absolute disrespect and name calling go over the line.

is activly seeking to ruin another reputation
still considered correct behavior here.

disrespect at the personal level should be addressed and we should have some rules.

if not we are all just back to the same spot we started.

block/sec/Mr Mayor,

Nothing hurts your reputation or credibility more on this board than your own words, logic and your attitude. It was a thread about opinions and you don't seem to grasp that yours will not be the same as mine or other peoples.
You were making claims about horses being doped and that people on here that liked GZ do so just because of his blinkers??!! Is that really the level that you think the people on here are at with respect to rating horses?
When you dig yourself in and battle to defend your opinion you've got to be prepared to take some hits, especially since your arguements are not exactly flawless. Just my opinion and I'm one of the people that likes your enthusiasim and contributions.

Originally Posted by Secretariat

i would expect that a certain amount of friendly name calling ang jabbing would be allowed.

but at what point does absolute disrespect and name calling go over the line.

is activly seeking to ruin another reputation
still considered correct behavior here.

disrespect at the personal level should be addressed and we should have some rules.

if not we are all just back to the same spot we started.

I will take your back on this one. There are definitely some people on here that act like they are never wrong and then just start name calling instead of admitting it. Pretty childish if you ask me.

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

I will take your back on this one. There are definitely some people on here that act like they are never wrong and then just start name calling instead of admitting it. Pretty childish if you ask me.

AMEN Hoist!

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

I will take your back on this one. There are definitely some people on here that act like they are never wrong and then just start name calling instead of admitting it. Pretty childish if you ask me.

Thats true Hoist. So now you can aplogize for scoffing at me for telling you Anew was a better horse than Tiger was when you insisted quite incorrectly for hours that he was the best sprinter in America. Its ok, you don't have to apologize. I'm sure you get it now.

[whorstman]

Can we squash this ESPNesck thread already........ soap opera.......As the Stomach Turns. I'll give it a quad rolleyes on this one.

[zippyneedsawin]

OK, so this is the 'private message' I get from the poster who starts the "manners" thread:

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well it seems that we can all do what we want here so let me give some of my thoughts..

why don't you go fu ck yourself you name calling piece od sewer scum..
in case you missed it..

f uc k y ou you piece of ****..

once more go f uck your self you piece of ****.



--Let me start by saying I dropped this entire issue YESTERDAY. You say others have "crossed the line," well what do you call this? I certainly never took it this far, and never would. You have some serious issues if you're taking all this THAT personally. If you can't take a few jabs, then don't get into a lively discussion. Most people can just move on after a dispute(especially one about horses on an internet MESSAGE BOARD), I suggest you do the same.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

OK, so this is the 'private message' I get from the poster who starts the "manners" thread:

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well it seems that we can all do what we want here so let me give some of my thoughts..

why don't you go fu ck yourself you name calling piece od sewer scum..
in case you missed it..

f uc k y ou you piece of ****..

once more go f uck your self you piece of ****.



--Let me start by saying I dropped this entire issue YESTERDAY. You say others have "crossed the line," well what do you call this? I certainly never took it this far, and never would. You have some serious issues if you're taking all this THAT personally. If you can't take a few jabs, then don't get into a lively discussion. Most people can just move on after a dispute(especially one about horses on an internet MESSAGE BOARD), I suggest you do the same.

lol i got one like that too....oh well ..

[Danzig]

[quote=Secretariat]

but at what point does absolute disrespect and name calling go over the line.

is activly seeking to ruin another reputation
still considered correct behavior here.

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you sir are a hypocrite. you type this sanctimonious crap, and then start tossing doping allegations?? do you read your own posts before completely ignoring your own words, and doing the exact opposite of what you think others should do?

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

i would expect that a certain amount of friendly name calling ang jabbing would be allowed.

but at what point does absolute disrespect and name calling go over the line.

is activly seeking to ruin another reputation
still considered correct behavior here.

disrespect at the personal level should be addressed and we should have some rules.

if not we are all just back to the same spot we started.

Dude, as long as the one guy who makes 10% of the posts on the entire site is going to act like a little kid with no manners there is nothing you can do. That guy is super insecure and that is what you have to live with.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Dude, as long as the one guy who makes 10% of the posts on the entire site is going to act like a little kid with no manners there is nothing you can do. That guy is super insecure and that is what you have to live with.

Go back and read Paul's posts before you comment on this particular thread. The original post that Paul made in this thread was hypocritical beyond belief.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Go back and read Paul's posts before you comment on this particular thread. The original post that Paul made in this thread was hypocritical beyond belief.

Probably, but Mr. I am Never Wrong and Everyone is an Idiot, has zero manners.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Probably, but Mr. I am Never Wrong and Everyone is an Idiot, has zero manners.

Then ignore his posts... it's very easy to do. If you don't like something he says, then don't respond. It takes two to argue and only one to end it.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Then ignore his posts... it's very easy to do. If you don't like something he says, then don't respond. It takes two to argue and only one to end it.

Good advice.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Probably, but Mr. I am Never Wrong and Everyone is an Idiot, has zero manners.

You're an idiot!

[Buffymommy]

Ya just gotta accept block for what he is a "potstirrer". He likes to get people riled up and be the center of attention. Once ya learn that about him and accept him for what he is, ya can deal with him. Once he learns ya have him figured out, he kinda leaves ya alone. (That and he sees a pic of you and he knows ya aren't fat, he drops that topic. Sarcasim block! )

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

You're an idiot!

Too funny for me.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

You're an idiot!

ok, ok...
Will all of us "idiots" stare at the computer screen and raise our right hand if we agree...

the right hand, right hand, not the left one.