Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year? - Page 16

sumitas · #1 10-25-2008, 07:23 PM

The wiley Dattori sat off Curlin . Then pushed the button just a little later and that got him to the wire soonest .

the_fat_man · #2 10-25-2008, 07:28 PM

Perfect trip by Curlin, perfect ride by Albarado. Just got run down by horses that had never been the distance.

Danzig · #3 10-25-2008, 07:34 PM

now, am i the only one calling bullsh!t when jess jackson was being interviewed before the race, or is it the cynic in me rearing it's head? he gave all those wonderful, flowery reasons for running curlin this year. but do we really believe it was for sportsmanship, for the game, the horses legacy, etc? or was it the only choice due to the legalities surrounding the horse? i think it's because not one stud farm out there would touch him because of midnight cry, and all the surrounding issues to go with it.

GenuineRisk · #4 10-26-2008, 03:31 PM

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now, am i the only one calling bullsh!t when jess jackson was being interviewed before the race, or is it the cynic in me rearing it's head? he gave all those wonderful, flowery reasons for running curlin this year. but do we really believe it was for sportsmanship, for the game, the horses legacy, etc? or was it the only choice due to the legalities surrounding the horse? i think it's because not one stud farm out there would touch him because of midnight cry, and all the surrounding issues to go with it.

No, you weren't the only one. It was making me nuts. I was happy Curlin ran this year; it was a lot of fun watching him win Dubai, and watching him try the turf, etc., but I don't think if there weren't legal issues around that last 20 percent of him that we would have seen this. Did you notice when Jackson started to say something about without the fans there's no sport he stumbled over his words and it ended up garbled? Because I think by that point even he couldn't spout something so blatantly untrue. It's not about us and never is.

That aside, it was still a nice way to spend the evening (I had to work Sat and watched the races on DVR). Yay for everyone coming back safe!

Does anyone know how many European horses ran versus how many American? The math nerd in me is curious how the win percentages Euro vs. American came out.

pba1817 · #5 10-25-2008, 07:40 PM

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Perfect trip by Curlin, perfect ride by Albarado. Just got run down by horses that had never been the distance.

Horrible ride, Albarado was out rode by smarter and better jockeys all three in which finished in front of him. It was not the surface either, it was poor decision making and a awful judge of pace.

With that slow pace(which was a given when one read the PP's), why not wait a little longer, save ground, and make a run for the wire in the stretch??

IMO... He rode the horse like the win was a guarantee and the only thing that was of concern was by how many lengths were to be between him and the field.

To the thread topic, Curlin was/is not the best in 25 years. I would not have thought so if he had won this race by 32 lengths. This field was very questionable, with no real legit G1 winners other than the Euros.

the_fat_man · #6 10-25-2008, 07:47 PM

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With that slow pace(which was a given when one read the PP's), why not wait a little longer, save ground, and make a run for the wire in the stretch??

Where are they teaching this approach?

Revidere · #7 10-25-2008, 07:56 PM

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Horrible ride, Albarado was out rode by smarter and better jockeys all three in which finished in front of him. It was not the surface either, it was poor decision making and a awful judge of pace.

You're kidding right? The horse who finished just ahead (Tiago) of him hadn't finished within 5 lengths of him in any of 4 starts on dirt. Are you telling me the form magically reversed itself?

With that slow pace(which was a given when one read the PP's), why not wait a little longer, save ground, and make a run for the wire in the stretch??

The horse hasn't come from between horses in 2 years. Good strategy. Let's take the biggest race of the year and change tactics. Not one dirt (ha ha)race was one on the inside paths.
IMO... He rode the horse like the win was a guarantee and the only thing that was of concern was by how many lengths were to be between him and the field.

He rode the race exactly as he had every others on the horse. If you look at the race it bears a striking resemblance to the Man O'War, where he hung late on...............TURF.

To the thread topic, Curlin was/is not the best in 25 years. I would not have thought so if he had won this race by 32 lengths. This field was very questionable, with no real legit G1 winners other than the Euros.

And to use the thread starter's example, Easy Goer beat It's Acedemic, Clevor Trevor and DeRoche.

ateamstupid · #8 10-25-2008, 07:59 PM

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IMO... He rode the horse like the win was a guarantee and the only thing that was of concern was by how many lengths were to be between him and the field.

I agree with this. I think he consistently moves early on this horse. He's gotten away with it against Past the Point and Wanderin Boy and thought he could do the same today.

Merlinsky · #9 10-25-2008, 05:30 PM

Holy crap. I always liked this big, beautiful horse but are they gonna mention, ya know, the new stakes record? 1:07:08. That's more than 3/5 faster than Kona Gold. I guess the whole synthetic thing adds a new factor to it but this horse is just brilliant and breaks track records in workouts. Shame he couldn't deal with the breathing issues to run in the Classic. I know they'd looked at it after last year's Sprint win. I'm glad Real Quiet's got one like this. Is he gonna retire now or do they have anything else in mind?

SCUDSBROTHER · #10 10-25-2008, 07:32 PM

Cannon Shell · #11 10-25-2008, 09:01 PM

Midnight Lute ran great and it was a tremendous training job to have him ready after all his issues but counting these times as stakes records is crazy.

pba1817 · #12 10-25-2008, 09:07 PM

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Midnight Lute ran great and it was a tremendous training job to have him ready after all his issues but counting these times as stakes records is crazy.

Why is it crazy?

ateamstupid · #13 10-25-2008, 09:09 PM

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Why is it crazy?

The track was freaking conveyor belt?

Cannon Shell · #14 10-25-2008, 09:11 PM

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Why is it crazy?

Because the track is obviously about 3 seconds faster than a normal track and it is totally different surface.

Merlinsky · #15 10-25-2008, 06:12 PM

He hussled at the end and got 3rd. I knew that call with him in 4th wasn't gonna hold. What a great story. I know they didn't expect him to win but after the story with Dancinginmydreams and the Barbaro-like injury. I'm sure mama's proud of her first foal.