Appropriate punishment for animal cruelty

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

Ateam, I think you got the wrong guy there, we are on the same side here!
I freely admit that I don't understand hunting for sport...I mean, I get that you take your phallic symbol (oops, I mean big gun) and walk through the woods stalking poor innocent and defenseless creatures to blow up in some orgasmic ritual but I don't get it!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

i didn't miss every point you made. you mentioned sport hunting. then you said just hunting was morally corrupt and disgusting. did you mean sport hunting again, or just hunting? i assumed, since you said 'hunting' and not 'sport hunting' that you had us all lumped in there together. my apologies if i got it wrong.

I haven't read this thread (only the original post), so I'm sorry if my post here is no longer really "on topic." I'm responding to the title of the thread:

All I have to say is "and eye for an eye."

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Champali Chick

I haven't read this thread (only the original post), so I'm sorry if my post here is no longer really "on topic." I'm responding to the title of the thread:

All I have to say is "and eye for an eye."

Who was it that said...all you get for the philosophy of an eye for an eye is lots of blind people?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Who was it that said...all you get for the philosophy of an eye for an eye is lots of blind people?

gandhi i believe...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Champali Chick

I haven't read this thread (only the original post), so I'm sorry if my post here is no longer really "on topic." I'm responding to the title of the thread:

All I have to say is "and eye for an eye."

i don't think our system should have punishment that is a criminal act in the guise of justice. that's the whole issue with he should get what he gave. society is supposed to be civilized, doing what the criminal did-albeit to the criminal-would be a similar despicable act, wouldn't it?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i don't think our system should have punishment that is a criminal act in the guise of justice. that's the whole issue with he should get what he gave. society is supposed to be civilized, doing what the criminal did-albeit to the criminal-would be a similar despicable act, wouldn't it?

Yes it would...the ancient concept of "lex talionis" is presented in most religions unfortunately...in Christianity it comes from Exodus 21:23-27, "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"...Mahatma Gandhi (you were right Danzig) said, "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and the world would soon be blind and toothless". Then again, I don't care much for Exodus cause of the deliberate mis-translation of Exodus 22:18 by King James' cronies!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Ateam, I think you got the wrong guy there, we are on the same side here!
I freely admit that I don't understand hunting for sport...I mean, I get that you take your phallic symbol (oops, I mean big gun) and walk through the woods stalking poor innocent and defenseless creatures to blow up in some orgasmic ritual but I don't get it!

Eh, it was back towards the beginning, I know you're on my side.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i didn't miss every point you made. you mentioned sport hunting. then you said just hunting was morally corrupt and disgusting. did you mean sport hunting again, or just hunting? i assumed, since you said 'hunting' and not 'sport hunting' that you had us all lumped in there together. my apologies if i got it wrong.

Yes, I meant sport hunting. I have no problem with hunting for food.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Eh, it was back towards the beginning, I know you're on my side.



Yes, I meant sport hunting. I have no problem with hunting for food.

Ateam,
I'm ok with what you said about "hunting for food".
It might seem strange to some, but I save feathers from the birds I bring home and use them to tie trout flies. I also use deer hair in some of my bass and salt water patterns.
And, shocking as it may seem, I get on my knees and give thanks over every critter that I take home to eat, before I take it out of the woods or fields.
I also say "grace" before I eat it.
I grew up in a family that hunted and fished, and I've done both all my life.
Those folks that don't have a background in either hunting or fishing see something that, to me, it isn't.
What it is, is real. And it connects me to something that many don't get the opportunity to connect with.
Also, not all hunters or fishermen think as I do, like the kids "hunting" horses in a strip mine.
I don't think that their actions should give the rest of us a "bad name".
DTS

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

What it is, is real. And it connects me to something that many don't get the opportunity to connect with.

What's that? The beauty of nature before you blow it away with a shotgun?

[Danzig]

guys really....you trying to talk about what it must like to hunt would be like me trying to say what it's like to be a man.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

guys really....you trying to talk about what it must like to hunt would be like me trying to say what it's like to be a man.

Tell me what I got wrong.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Tell me what I got wrong.

i'm just not getting comments like above, when you said about blowing away with a shotgun. all meat that is eaten, was once alive and then was killed. i mean, you know that the meat you eat didn't come from animals that died of old age or natural causes, right?
if it isn't your thing, or you don't get it, that's fine. no one says you have to go and provide some of your food yourself.
but i don't think that just because it isn't your thing, that others who choose differently should be mocked or scorned for it.

[Danzig]

well...come to think of it, i guess it's human nature to mock things we don't understand or can relate to. we all do it to some degree.
i don't understand why some women try to stuff themselves into clothing three sizes too small. and then they have this fat bulge thing going on around their middle-looks like they have a swim ring on under their shirt or something.
and i most certainly mock them for it.

at any rate, not sure if this thread is what has kept you coming back more regularly ateam, but glad you're around more-believe it or not!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i'm just not getting comments like above, when you said about blowing away with a shotgun. all meat that is eaten, was once alive and then was killed. i mean, you know that the meat you eat didn't come from animals that died of old age or natural causes, right?
if it isn't your thing, or you don't get it, that's fine. no one says you have to go and provide some of your food yourself.
but i don't think that just because it isn't your thing, that others who choose differently should be mocked or scorned for it.

I agree, Deb. I'd be willing to bet that most animals hunted and killed in the wild suffer less than animals slaughtered in a slaughterhouse.

[ateamstupid]

For the love of Christ. I'm talking about sport hunting.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

well...come to think of it, i guess it's human nature to mock things we don't understand or can relate to. we all do it to some degree.
i don't understand why some women try to stuff themselves into clothing three sizes too small. and then they have this fat bulge thing going on around their middle-looks like they have a swim ring on under their shirt or something.
and i most certainly mock them for it.

at any rate, not sure if this thread is what has kept you coming back more regularly ateam, but glad you're around more-believe it or not!

I'm not mocking it. I'm saying it's morally disgusting. I haven't heard any good arguments otherwise, and excusing needless animal slaughter by simply saying "You can't relate" or "You don't understand" is a total cop-out.

Thanks for the kind words though Zieg.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

For the love of Christ. I'm talking about sport hunting.



I'm not mocking it. I'm saying it's morally disgusting. I haven't heard any good arguments otherwise, and excusing needless animal slaughter by simply saying "You can't relate" or "You don't understand" is a total cop-out.

Thanks for the kind words though Zieg.

I agree with Ateam, we are talking about sport hunting...period. As far as not understanding because we don't do it...that's a pretty big cop out, I have never been a serial killer so it's true I can't look at what they do through the eyes of one but that doesn't stop me from seeing that it's evil to kill!