Another breakdown at Turfway

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Lord, he said she said....I remember seeing Point on the CBS board saying he was a Dr, then shows up on the ESPN board saying he was a teacher and now here. See Point--give me some proof fellow. If you cant then give it a rest. It is really old.

I was mwindu on ESPN and now Pointg5 here, still the same person, I don't own horses, don't know any trainers or people in the business other than the ones here and have never claimed otherwise...

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

He's not a liar because he can't prove something. That makes no sense at all...

Mike is too Type A to be an efficient liar... he'd blow up and blow his cover.

Are you suggesting that I am type a? LOL!!! I suppose I can't sue you for libel on that one!!!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I was mwindu on ESPN and now Pointg5 here, still the same person, I don't own horses, don't know any trainers or people in the business other than the ones here and have never claimed otherwise...

You do have a pretty wife, though! I was reading through that "this is me" thread the other day and got another good chuckle when everyone thought you were a hot chick. HAHA!

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Are you suggesting that I am type a? LOL!!! I suppose I can't sue you for libel on that one!!!

Type A for A S --S--Hole

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Are you suggesting that I am type a? LOL!!! I suppose I can't sue you for libel on that one!!!

LMAO... God forbid you and I are ever in the same car... it would be an explosive Type A mess with swearing, flicking off and horn blowing. HAHA

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Type A for A S --S--Hole

Look Jerry, If you've thrown a rod again, and have lost your mind again, talk to me on messenger and I'll try and talk you down. Don't bother these nice folks here with your insanity.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

LMAO... God forbid you and I are ever in the same car... it would be an explosive Type A mess with swearing, flicking off and horn blowing. HAHA

LOL!!
I lost it at the grocery store last week because the people ahead of me in line at the express checkout had like 30 items as i stood behind them with the DRF only.
I started talking to myself out loud and saying, "Yep, I didn't have anything else to do today anyway, I wanted to hang out at Price Chopper all day long". People behind me started chuckling, so then I say "yep, oh good you have coupons, lotsa coupons!! Swell Maam!!!" Laughter is louder. Then they pull out a checkbook to write a check as well so I say "geez thats great, now you are paying by check!!! WONDERFUL!!! Did you maybe forget to grab anything? You should go and get it, we don't mind waiting!!!".
Cashier loses it and is like shaking and barks into the microphone "Please open another register!!!!!!!!!"
Laughter is echoing throughout the buliding. Manager comes over and even he breaks into laughter as I start humming the jeopardy theme as she fills out the check.

[todko]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You guys can have the last word because I am exhausted. And plus I think there are better things to discuss. But it was a good debate (for the most part).

C'mon Euro.

The trainer calls you after the race and says, "Horse A ran in the 4th and had such and such trip and finished so and so". And then the other trainer calls and says, "Horse B ran in the 8th and had such and such trip and finished so and so". Maybe it's the same trainer -- doesn't really matter.

And then at the end of the conversation the trainer(s) says, "By the way we scoped both horses and they came back fine". And you don't ask why? Or the trainer never mentions why he/she scoped both horses?

Scoping horses after a race isn't normally routine -- especially at a place like Turfway.

Don't blow smoke OK?

Originally Posted by todko

C'mon Euro.

The trainer calls you after the race and says, "Horse A ran in the 4th and had such and such trip and finished so and so". And then the other trainer calls and says, "Horse B ran in the 8th and had such and such trip and finished so and so". Maybe it's the same trainer -- doesn't really matter.

And then at the end of the conversation the trainer(s) says, "By the way we scoped both horses and they came back fine". And you don't ask why? Or the trainer never mentions why he/she scoped both horses?

Scoping horses after a race isn't normally routine -- especially at a place like Turfway.

Don't blow smoke OK?

A couple of things here. I didn't know each horse was scope until I got the email on each this morning. I also pay a one time flat rate per year. I do not pay any monthly bills. I have sent an email back asking why each was scope. When I find out why, I will let you know so you can rest easy.

[todko]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

A couple of things here. I didn't know each horse was scope until I got the email on each this morning. I also pay a one time flat rate per year. I do not pay any monthly bills. I have sent an email back asking why each was scope. When I find out why, I will let you know so you can rest easy.

You do that -- you let me know. Because I am interested in hearing . . .

I didn't appreciate that maybe your ownership was through participating in a club/syndication. Even in most of those -- there are expenses beyond "a one time flat rate fee" if such expenses are necessary.

And I'm not knocking that way of ownership. In fact, I think it's one of the best things the industry has going for it. I wish the general public knew more about it. It would be many more $$$ flowing into racing.

ANother eased and vanned off on a synthetci by the way yesterday. Blind Harry. Race 6. He was claimed too.
No I'm not pleased, not at all. But if its gonna be sunshine propaganda on one side there ought to be some rain reported as well.

Originally Posted by todko

You do that -- you let me know. Because I am interested in hearing . . .

I didn't appreciate that maybe your ownership was through participating in a club/syndication. Even in most of those -- there are expenses beyond "a one time flat rate fee" if such expenses are necessary.

And I'm not knocking that way of ownership. In fact, I think it's one of the best things the industry has going for it. I wish the general public knew more about it. It would be many more $$$ flowing into racing.

I simply do not have enough money to do it any other way. I dont understand why you dont appreciate it. I think I might be reading your post wrong. Can you state it in another way?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I simply do not have enough money to do it any other way. I dont understand why you dont appreciate it. I think I might be reading your post wrong. Can you state it in another way?

Hes not knocking it, nor is anyone.
Its much better to buy a 10% stake in a few horses and spread around the risk than to buy 100% of one horse and have all the eggs in one basket.
Zillionaires don't have to worry about this, but most folks do.
I commend anyone who swings the bat, no matter how big or small their investment stake is.

[The Bid]

Lage is listed as claimer, new owner, and trainer of Blind Harry

Originally Posted by oracle80

Hes not knocking it, nor is anyone.
Its much better to buy a 10% stake in a few horses and spread around the risk than to buy 100% of one horse and have all the eggs in one basket.
Zillionaires don't have to worry about this, but most folks do.
I commend anyone who swings the bat, no matter how big or small their investment stake is.

Gotcha--thought I was reading it wrong. I usually try to buy 5%. Sometimes the group wont let you and you have to buy 10%. Either way it works for me. I havent been in the winners circle so far this year so I need a winner.

Originally Posted by The Bid

Lage is listed as claimer, new owner, and trainer of Blind Harry

Thats too damn bad.
I get the feeling when I hear synthetic reports from some folks like I would if i was watching the weatherman here in upstate NY and he called for sunny skies every single day.

[todko]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I simply do not have enough money to do it any other way. I dont understand why you dont appreciate it. I think I might be reading your post wrong. Can you state it in another way?

I totally appreciate it. Totally.

It's perhaps the best way to bring new money into racing. America has gambling/venture fever and horse ownership through partnerships/consortium/clubs/syndication or whatever you wish to call it is one of the avenues the industry should publicize. It could potentially draw billions to racing and revitalize the sport.

It's a hell of a lot more interesting than owning stock.

One of my gripes with poly has been the cost and that maybe that money should have been better spent on advertising. Increasing field size does not add to the sport -- it does not draw any new money to the game. It merely reallocates money between tracks.

The general non-horseracing public could care less whether you have Polytrack, Cushion Track, Tapeta, dirt, or turf. They don't even know there's a track to begin with let alone what surface the horses run on.

Take Cincinnati for instance. Throw some cheap TV and newspaper commercials showing people who have won $10k or so at Turfway or River Downs. That will immediately draw NEW customers to the track. People want to gamble -- they want to win money -- and the best way to get them to the track is to talk about winnings.

Show the public a person who won $100,000 or so at Turfway and you'll have many new customers. Most people in this area don't even know horse racing exists let alone that you can win money at it.

Show 'em on TV. Holding up a big check. Saying, "I'm Joe Blow and I went to Turfway last Saturday and I came home with $140,000". Pretty simple but effective.

Getting new customers to the track will save racing. If you don't do that -- you'll have empty grandstands facing a poly surface instead of a dirt surface.

Originally Posted by todko

I totally appreciate it. Totally.

It's perhaps the best way to bring new money into racing. America has gambling/venture fever and horse ownership through partnerships/consortium/clubs/syndication or whatever you wish to call it is one of the avenues the industry should publicize. It could potentially draw billions to racing and revitalize the sport.

It's a hell of a lot more interesting than owning stock.

One of my gripes with poly has been the cost and that maybe that money should have been better spent on advertising. Increasing field size does not add to the sport -- it does not draw any new money to the game. It merely reallocates money between tracks.

The general non-horseracing public could care less whether you have Polytrack, Cushion Track, Tapeta, dirt, or turf. They don't even know there's a track to begin with let alone what surface the horses run on.

Take Cincinnati for instance. Throw some cheap TV and newspaper commercials showing people who have won $10k or so at Turfway or River Downs. That will immediately draw NEW customers to the track. People want to gamble -- they want to win money -- and the best way to get them to the track is to talk about winnings.

Show the public a person who won $100,000 or so at Turfway and you'll have many new customers. Most people in this area don't even know horse racing exists let alone that you can win money at it.

Show 'em on TV. Holding up a big check. Saying, "I'm Joe Blow and I went to Turfway last Saturday and I came home with $140,000". Pretty simple but effective.

Getting new customers to the track will save racing. If you don't do that -- you'll have empty grandstands facing a poly surface instead of a dirt surface.

I agree with you to a point. However, I wouldnt be so enthusiastic to have my face plastered on TV and in newspapers if I wont that much money. Marketing horse racing is very difficult concept. The game is very confusing. Once you get a fan to the track then what do you do?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by todko

A long layoff caused by respiratory issues?

Gimme a break. Nobody scopes unless they suspect respiratory problems related to the race that the horse just ran.

Both horses had the same illness?

I don't know you -- but pal -- you look like a liar to me.

If a horse has a history of respiratory issues or bleeding, it would not be unusual to scope the horse after the race. With horses that have bled in the past, it is not unusual to scope them after every race. If they start to come back clean every time, then the trainer will stop scoping them. But then if the horse has an unexplainably poor performance, the trainer will probably scope them again.

Out here in Southern California, my trainers will practically always scope a horse if the horse runs below his capability.

[The Bid]

Thats standard procedure to scope after a subpar run