NBA Playoffs

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I think he could cover some PGuards for one main reason:
He might get beat to the basket, but he can block them
so easy from behind he could get away with forcing them to the basket.
Obviously this would wear him down just like covering a big guy leaning
on his legs, so it is clearly not desirable. Just like it would not be desirable
for the Lakers to have Kobe covering Tony Parker the whole game,
just in spots.

Okay, he can cover extremely slow NBA point guards...once in a while. He can cover derek fisher or jason kidd who are both ancient. Can he cover derek rose? devin harris? Gilbert Arenas? Tony Parker? Chauncey Billups? These arent even the best.

Lebron is 6 8 250. He doesnt have nearly enough lateral mobility to cover an NBA point guard. He doesnt have enough lateral mobility to cover the quicker NBA two guards. He doesnt have the size to cover Legit NBA centers.

This is such an incredibly dumb argument i cant believe i am entertaining it.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay, he can cover extremely slow NBA point guards...once in a while. He can cover derek fisher or jason kidd who are both ancient. Can he cover derek rose? devin harris? Gilbert Arenas? Tony Parker? Chauncey Billups? These arent even the best.

Lebron is 6 8 250. He doesnt have nearly enough lateral mobility to cover an NBA point guard. He doesnt have enough lateral mobility to cover the quicker NBA two guards. He doesnt have the size to cover Legit NBA centers.

This is such an incredibly dumb argument i cant believe i am entertaining it.

I think the original intention was to pick one guy who would be the best
at covering all positions defensively. I dont think the original intention
was to say he would be good at it.

If you can think of another guy that could do better at covering
any position, put the name out. This is how I took the original
argument anyway.

Its all in good fun.
I think.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I think the original intention was to pick one guy who would be the best
at covering all positions defensively. I dont think the original intention
was to say he would be good at it.

If you can think of another guy that could do better at covering
any position, put the name out. This is how I took the original
argument anyway.

Its all in good fun.
I think.

It is. I knew that would come out wrong.

Lebron, as great as he is, cant cover five positions. He can cover 2 well and beyond that it comes down to situation.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Congrats to the Magic. Big growth in da balls. Next dog will be called Pietrus or Glu. Barkley got it right, and I got it wrong. Magic actually made some shots. Turk finally woke up.

Poor Kevin.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Poor Kevin.

LOL..Weird night. Magic wins a game 7, and now fkn quake shaking me. Only 5.0, but shook me pretty good. I must be pretty close.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Yea, centered in Hawthorne..(like just south of HWD PARK.) 5.0 feels like 6 if ya close to it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

you watch a different game than i watch because there is no way in God's green earth Lebron can cover a decent NBA point guard or even the quicker two guards. He can't cover legit NBA centers. You undermine your point when you make statements that are so far from reality.

I love Lebron and I have pretty much thrown up the white flag when it comes to who is a better player between him and kobe. I like watching kobe a lot more but Lebron is better. But a better man to man defender? And can cover 5 positions? You have to get real.

Exactly what current Center in the NBA couldnt he guard? Apparently you dont watch many games because he can and does certainly cover guards.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay, he can cover extremely slow NBA point guards...once in a while. He can cover derek fisher or jason kidd who are both ancient. Can he cover derek rose? devin harris? Gilbert Arenas? Tony Parker? Chauncey Billups? These arent even the best.

Lebron is 6 8 250. He doesnt have nearly enough lateral mobility to cover an NBA point guard. He doesnt have enough lateral mobility to cover the quicker NBA two guards. He doesnt have the size to cover Legit NBA centers.

This is such an incredibly dumb argument i cant believe i am entertaining it.

He doesnt have the size to cover centers? With the possible exception of Yao who exactly would he be overmatched with size wise? He absolutely could cover those guards. And he is closer to 280. Watch the games...

I enjoyed the smack talk between Ewing and Rivers. Rivers got knocked down a few notches by disrespecting his former teammate. Doc really should've said no comment instead of being a hater and trying to downplay Ewing's career as a player by pointing out his failures. I mean if Ewing was bad as a player what does that make Rivers? Kurt Rambis with downs?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Exactly what current Center in the NBA couldnt he guard? Apparently you dont watch many games because he can and does certainly cover guards.

Kareem might be tough for Lebron to hang with.....The Celts were spared a public flogging if they had gone on.....Clev may sweep Orlando.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Exactly what current Center in the NBA couldnt he guard? Apparently you dont watch many games because he can and does certainly cover guards.

Yes...on a switch. He isnt lining up against point guards or quicker shooting guards. If it is a big two guard...maybe. You just went on a tirade about the great delonte west and his defensive prowess and now Cleveland is taking their best player who is 6 8 and having him chase the Tony Parkers of the world. Does that mean Mo Williams gets to cover the other team's 3? LOL. This is folly.

As for centers, again, you are being ridiculous. If you use Lebron to cover a center, who does your center cover. But beyond that, you are telling me 6 8 250 lb Lebron James is going to be able to stop even a very average center like Haywood who is 7 1 300. Or even Shaq at 7 1 330 at 37 yrs old? Bynum? In a case where cleveland goes small and the other team has a center like mehmet okur, then yes i could see lebron covering.

Guys get mismatched all of the time in a switch and hold their own. This is basketball. But no way Lebron lasts in the post against a 7 foot 300 lb center. Thats almost as funny as him chasing around Gilbert Arenas.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yes...on a switch. He isnt lining up against point guards or quicker shooting guards. If it is a big two guard...maybe. You just went on a tirade about the great delonte west and his defensive prowess and now Cleveland is taking their best player who is 6 8 and having him chase the Tony Parkers of the world. Does that mean Mo Williams gets to cover the other team's 3? LOL. This is folly.

As for centers, again, you are being ridiculous. If you use Lebron to cover a center, who does your center cover. But beyond that, you are telling me 6 8 250 lb Lebron James is going to be able to stop even a very average center like Haywood who is 7 1 300. Or even Shaq at 7 1 330 at 37 yrs old? Bynum? In a case where cleveland goes small and the other team has a center like mehmet okur, then yes i could see lebron covering.

Guys get mismatched all of the time in a switch and hold their own. This is basketball. But no way Lebron lasts in the post against a 7 foot 300 lb center. Thats almost as funny as him chasing around Gilbert Arenas.

You have totally twisted the entire point. We aren't saying that Cleveland is going to do it or fits with their plans. If you had watched the olympics Lebron often covered guards since many of the teams went with three guard offenses. That isnt saying that he is going to cover them all the time but he certainly has the ability to do it. As for your ludicrous assertion that he isnt big or strong enough to cover centers I guess you just dont watch much NBA. I suppose the 6'9" Bill Russell couldnt guard 7'1" Wilt either. Or Ben Wallace wasnt the NBA defensive player of the year at center 4 times while 6'9" and weighing less than Lebron? I ask again, do you really watch the games? There is a good chance that after Shaq, Lebron is the strongest player in the league .

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You have totally twisted the entire point. We aren't saying that Cleveland is going to do it or fits with their plans. If you had watched the olympics Lebron often covered guards since many of the teams went with three guard offenses. That isnt saying that he is going to cover them all the time but he certainly has the ability to do it. As for your ludicrous assertion that he isnt big or strong enough to cover centers I guess you just dont watch much NBA. I suppose the 6'9" Bill Russell couldnt guard 7'1" Wilt either. Or Ben Wallace wasnt the NBA defensive player of the year at center 4 times while 6'9" and weighing less than Lebron? I ask again, do you really watch the games? There is a good chance that after Shaq, Lebron is the strongest player in the league .

You are actually using Olympic basketball as an example? LOL. Okay, Lebron can cover a euro swingman in the olympics and that means he can cover Dwayne Wade. And you say i am being ludicrous. And i dont watch much NBA?

Ben Wallace was every bit of 6 9 and had freakish upper body strength and athleticism. Besides, Ben wouldnt guard the bigger centers most of the time...that job went to rasheed. Perhaps you should have watched the games back then. They were interesting.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You are actually using Olympic basketball as an example? LOL. Okay, Lebron can cover a euro swingman in the olympics and that means he can cover Dwayne Wade. And you say i am being ludicrous. And i dont watch much NBA?

Ben Wallace was every bit of 6 9 and had freakish upper body strength and athleticism. Besides, Ben wouldnt guard the bigger centers most of the time...that job went to rasheed. Perhaps you should have watched the games back then. They were interesting.

Yeah Olympic basketball where the vast majority of starters on the better teams are NBA or Euroleague players. You know the Olympics that many on this board thought that we would lose like the previous olympics. Yeah the players are terrible.
Saying that a person cant guard a particular position and using Dwayne Wade as an example of the type of player at that position seems a little excessive doesnt it? Does that mean every guard in the NBA during the late 80's and 90's couldnt play defense because they couldnt seem to cover Micheal Jordan?

If you happen to go to a Cavs game please note that Lebron is bigger than Ben Wallace and I am doubting that Wallace has shrunk much other than his hair.

Your contentions are fairly ludicrous. But keep digging. Maybe next you'll tell me that Lebron couldnt guard Jerry West or Bob Cousy or George Mikan or Danny Ainge or Connie Hawkins or Herman the helicopter or Trevor Ariza or Wes Unseld or Elvin hayes because he is 6"8 and 250 and is either too slow or too weak or too tall or too short to mess with them.

[dalakhani]

[quote=Cannon Shell]Yeah Olympic basketball where the vast majority of starters on the better teams are NBA or Euroleague players. You know the Olympics that many on this board thought that we would lose like the previous olympics. Yeah the players are terrible.
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Look who is trying to change the argument now. LOL. No one said anything about Olympic guards being "terrible". My point is that they arent as athletic as NBA two guards. How many euros start two guard in the NBA? Why do you think that that is?

So of course Lebron can cover a guard in the NBA but can't effectively cover a good two guard. He simply doesnt have the lateral mobility...being 280 lbs like you claim.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your contentions are fairly ludicrous. But keep digging. Maybe next you'll tell me that Lebron couldnt guard Jerry West or Bob Cousy or George Mikan or Danny Ainge or Connie Hawkins or Herman the helicopter or Trevor Ariza or Wes Unseld or Elvin hayes because he is 6"8 and 250 and is either too slow or too weak or too tall or too short to mess with them.

I know i have someone on the ropes when they start talking about "digging" and then they start bringing up players from other eras to support their futile arguments.

We are talking about here and now. In case someone hasnt come down to the barn and told you, ainge doesnt play anymore and neither does west, cousy or mikan. They are all players from another era and it is debatable as to whether or not they would have had the same success in this era. We are talking about HERE AND NOW. And here and now, Lebron James is not mobile enough laterally to stay with a quick NBA two guard and certainly not an average NBA point. He can't cover five positions and your attempt to try to stay with this ridiculous contention shows either a lack of knowledge of the game or a silly stubborness.

Me thinks it is more the latter.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I know i have someone on the ropes when they start talking about "digging" and then they start bringing up players from other eras to support their futile arguments.

We are talking about here and now. In case someone hasnt come down to the barn and told you, ainge doesnt play anymore and neither does west, cousy or mikan. They are all players from another era and it is debatable as to whether or not they would have had the same success in this era. We are talking about HERE AND NOW. And here and now, Lebron James is not mobile enough laterally to stay with a quick NBA two guard and certainly not an average NBA point. He can't cover five positions and your attempt to try to stay with this ridiculous contention shows either a lack of knowledge of the game or a silly stubborness.

Me thinks it is more the latter.

It really depends on what points and two's we refer to. He obviously would have a difficult time with Chris Paul or Tony Parker. Really fast PG that can shoot. But he could easily cover Rajon "no shot" Rhondo (sp?). He would obviously get much more tired covering either a guard or centers for reasons that involve legs.

But if you had to name one guy who would be the best
at covering all 5 positions, it would have to be Lebron.

To change the subject a bit.

I think it would be very interesting to see the younger
Dennis Rodman who played very good defense (not the older
version that just waited for rebounds) cover Lebron. Rodman
crazy, and stringy-quick-strong, playing against a guy that
might eventually try to kill him. Rodman also excelled at drawing
charges. This matchup would be classic.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It really depends on what points and two's we refer to. He obviously would have a difficult time with Chris Paul or Tony Parker. Really fast PG that can shoot. But he could easily cover Rajon "no shot" Rhondo (sp?). He would obviously get much more tired covering either a guard or centers for reasons that involve legs.

But if you had to name one guy who would be the best
at covering all 5 positions, it would have to be Lebron.

To change the subject a bit.

I think it would be very interesting to see the younger
Dennis Rodman who played very good defense (not the older
version that just waited for rebounds) cover Lebron. Rodman
crazy, and stringy-quick-strong, playing against a guy that
might eventually try to kill him. Rodman also excelled at drawing
charges. This matchup would be classic.

No...it would be Garnett but you would have to say Lebron is in the conversation. Rodman is the only player that I have seen literally cover all five positions and he was an extraordinary once in a lifetime defender. Did he have to flop against the big boys? Yes. But was he just something to behold? Rodman would have locked him down like he did Bird and to a lesser degree Magic and Worthy although Locking Lebron down simply means holding him to 29 points.

As far as Lebron covering Rondo there is no way. Rondo is too quick and gets to the basket too well. Could he cover kidd? Sure...but who cant these days? But a guy like Brooks who was killing the lakers but yet is very mediocre? No way. He simply isnt that good of a "lock down defender"...yet. Let me add that at 250 (or 280 as chuck claims) there is no way he should be able to guard small players like that. Kobe could but he was 40 lbs lighter and much more mobile laterally. Remember, kobe could lock down on the other teams best scorer whether it be 1,2, or 3. He could guard Iverson in AI's prime and Wade in Wade's prime. Lebron will never be able to do that.

[King Glorious]

This stuff is pure comedy. LeBron can't guard all five positions but Garnett can? This is better than anything on tv. Keep it coming guys.