Mullins/Gato Go Win SCR story emerging

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Beastiality ?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by O2 CSC

I wonder if Mullins applied Airpower without a syringe, would this story have any legs? I can't remember the poster's name but she sounded knowledgeable when she said it was the equivalent of giving a horse a cough drop, all this trouble for a menthol type based application?

This is exactly the point. Guanefisin is a mucolytic or a cough syrup which has absolutely zero measurable benefit to horses, humans or rodents like Mullins. The Air Power syringe HAD to be a decoy for something else he was giving.

Mullins used the oral syringe to carry "Drug X" (no offense Drugs) so that if he was caught he had his "It's only Air Power" excuse readily available.

Let me give you a very real example of a drug that could have been used here.

DNAse or Dornase Alpha is a medication we use in humans (normally nebulized but one would think a well placed oral syringe may be of benefit).
This medication was a break through for kids with Cystic Fibosis who could not mobilize secretions or clear this very thick tenacious mucus from their airways or lungs. This problem is commonly associated with CF.

The genius of the medication is that part of it's mechanism of action was to turn itself into water after thinning these cement like secretions. So the drug literally turns the cement like substance in the lungs of these kids into water vapor that is exhaled.......which of course would make it undetectable should you want to test for it.

Hopefully the benefit to a guy like Mullins with a stakes horse or two in the detention barn is obvious....

Let your imagination unwind a little further and you realize that the terminal reaction of turning the Drug X,Y or Z into water vapor or actually CO2 and H20 could be used with any medication as long as it is constructed to metabolize to CO2 and H2O.

The same chemistry that created DNAse for CF kids to melt secretions could be used to 1) administer stimulants 2) anabolic meds etc. etc etc. The possibilities are endless. If you could give any cheating compound and have it metabolize to water vapor it doesn't matter what you start with. The effects of the initial med are undetectable and the logic that all cheating substances are measurable in urine or blood is a fairy tale. The whole idea doesn't require a brilliant chemist as the technology is already very well known.

Interestingly Mullins was catchable Saturday, if the syringe and it's contents were tested by HPLC or chromotography against an "Air Power" control. If you compared the pattern of the control to the syringe Mullins had Saturday and if additional spikes were present or isolated, it would prove he wasn't just using Air Power as the drug only turns to water if it comes in contact with mucus. My guess is Mullins isn't aware of that....

Now again the facts above are all legit but I have no insider knowledge that this is what actually Mullins did. I just wanted to lay out how easy it would be for him to pull this off in the Detention Barn last Saturday.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by docicu3

This is exactly the point. Guanefisin is a mucolytic or a cough syrup which has absolutely zero measurable benefit to horses, humans or rodents like Mullins. The Air Power syringe HAD to be a decoy for something else he was giving.

Mullins used the oral syringe to carry "Drug X" (no offense Drugs) so that if he was caught he had his "It's only Air Power" excuse readily available.

Let me give you a very real example of a drug that could have been used here.

DNAse or Dornase Alpha is a medication we use in humans (normally nebulized but one would think a well placed oral syringe may be of benefit).
This medication was a break through for kids with Cystic Fibosis who could not mobilize secretions or clear this very thick tenacious mucus from their airways or lungs. This problem is commonly associated with CF.

The genius of the medication is that part of it's mechanism of action was to turn itself into water after thinning these cement like secretions. So the drug literally turns the cement like substance in the lungs of these kids into water vapor that is exhaled.......which of course would make it undetectable should you want to test for it.

Hopefully the benefit to a guy like Mullins with a stakes horse or two in the detention barn is obvious....

Let your imagination unwind a little further and you realize that the terminal reaction of turning the Drug X,Y or Z into water vapor or actually CO2 and H20 could be used with any medication as long as it is constructed to metabolize to CO2 and H2O.

The same chemistry that created DNAse for CF kids to melt secretions could be used to 1) administer stimulants 2) anabolic meds etc. etc etc. The possibilities are endless. If you could give any cheating compound and have it metabolize to water vapor it doesn't matter what you start with. The effects of the initial med are undetectable and the logic that all cheating substances are measurable in urine or blood is a fairy tale. The whole idea doesn't require a brilliant chemist as the technology is already very well known.

Interestingly Mullins was catchable Saturday, if the syringe and it's contents were tested by HPLC or chromotography against an "Air Power" control. If you compared the pattern of the control to the syringe Mullins had Saturday and if additional spikes were present or isolated, it would prove he wasn't just using Air Power as the drug only turns to water if it comes in contact with mucus. My guess is Mullins isn't aware of that....

Now again the facts above are all legit but I have no insider knowledge that this is what actually Mullins did. I just wanted to lay out how easy it would be for him to pull this off in the Detention Barn last Saturday.

D*mn you're smart. Some serious CSI work here. Side question, so this drug really has been effective for CF?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by philcski

D*mn you're smart. Some serious CSI work here. Side question, so this drug really has been effective for CF?

Oh yeah the drug works really well for CF patients.....which despite the thick mucous issue the disease is complicated by another functional deficit known as immotile cilia syndrome or the hair cells don't project the mucous forward so they can't cough the stuff up denovo thats why the drug is such a remarkable discovery. And no I am really not any where near as smart as Hooves or GPK....just to name a few

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by docicu3

This is exactly the point. Guanefisin is a mucolytic or a cough syrup which has absolutely zero measurable benefit to horses, humans or rodents like Mullins. The Air Power syringe HAD to be a decoy for something else he was giving.

Mullins used the oral syringe to carry "Drug X" (no offense Drugs) so that if he was caught he had his "It's only Air Power" excuse readily available.

Let me give you a very real example of a drug that could have been used here.

DNAse or Dornase Alpha is a medication we use in humans (normally nebulized but one would think a well placed oral syringe may be of benefit).
This medication was a break through for kids with Cystic Fibosis who could not mobilize secretions or clear this very thick tenacious mucus from their airways or lungs. This problem is commonly associated with CF.

The genius of the medication is that part of it's mechanism of action was to turn itself into water after thinning these cement like secretions. So the drug literally turns the cement like substance in the lungs of these kids into water vapor that is exhaled.......which of course would make it undetectable should you want to test for it.

Hopefully the benefit to a guy like Mullins with a stakes horse or two in the detention barn is obvious....

Let your imagination unwind a little further and you realize that the terminal reaction of turning the Drug X,Y or Z into water vapor or actually CO2 and H20 could be used with any medication as long as it is constructed to metabolize to CO2 and H2O.

The same chemistry that created DNAse for CF kids to melt secretions could be used to 1) administer stimulants 2) anabolic meds etc. etc etc. The possibilities are endless. If you could give any cheating compound and have it metabolize to water vapor it doesn't matter what you start with. The effects of the initial med are undetectable and the logic that all cheating substances are measurable in urine or blood is a fairy tale. The whole idea doesn't require a brilliant chemist as the technology is already very well known.

Interestingly Mullins was catchable Saturday, if the syringe and it's contents were tested by HPLC or chromotography against an "Air Power" control. If you compared the pattern of the control to the syringe Mullins had Saturday and if additional spikes were present or isolated, it would prove he wasn't just using Air Power as the drug only turns to water if it comes in contact with mucus. My guess is Mullins isn't aware of that....

Now again the facts above are all legit but I have no insider knowledge that this is what actually Mullins did. I just wanted to lay out how easy it would be for him to pull this off in the Detention Barn last Saturday.

Boomer...Thx hope Gunner is doing well

[paisjpq]

Does it even matter WHAT he was trying to give the horse? I don't care if he was feeding a peppermint, the point is you can't give ANYTHING in the detention barn. And that's why he should be punished.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

Does it even matter WHAT he was trying to give the horse? I don't care if he was feeding a peppermint, the point is you can't give ANYTHING in the detention barn. And that's why he should be punished.

true.
but i think they should test the syringe, see just what was in there. perhaps his punishment could be extended beyond carrying a syringe and giving air power.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by docicu3

This is exactly the point. Guanefisin is a mucolytic or a cough syrup which has absolutely zero measurable benefit to horses, humans or rodents like Mullins. The Air Power syringe HAD to be a decoy for something else he was giving. ...

Now again the facts above are all legit but I have no insider knowledge that this is what actually Mullins did. I just wanted to lay out how easy it would be for him to pull this off in the Detention Barn last Saturday.

Doc, great post...

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

this is the first thing I found for salicylic acid

It is known for its ability to ease aches and pains and reduce fevers. The medicinal properties of salicylate, mainly for fever relief, have been known since ancient times, and it was used as an anti-inflammatory drug.

Salicylic acid is basically aspirin. It was originally derived from white willow bark.

[Riot]

I don't know why we are talking about guaifenisin (because I don't think Air Power has it, unless I missed something) - yes, it's used in cough syrups, but in the horse it's also used IV to help induce anesthesia. It acts centrally, relaxes the laryngeal and pharyngeal muscles, and is a mild sedative and analgesic. That's why it's a Class 4 drug in all horse sports, and NYRA has a 96 hour withdrawal time on it.

Alot of track horses have coughs, allergy, bronchitis - instead of being out in fresh air on green grass with their heads down all day (the way horses were designed to live, eat and drain), they are in comparatively airless stalls filled with dry hay and straw (and molds, and particulate matter) eating with their heads up. Then they workout on dirt tracks and get dirt kicked into their lungs.

Coughs, mucus, bronchitis is pretty common on the race track (in all stalled horses), so good trainers are always looking for a way to get a horse like this more air in a race. There are legal ways, and illegal ways.

Most of the "won't test" OTC stuff doesn't do much (as they don't have any pharmacologic action - which is why they "don't test" <g>)

That said, Mullins is a licensed trainer, he had no business with a syringe trying to give a horse anything in a detention barn. His arrogance and blaming of the security guards for his troubles is laughable to the extreme.

Mullins proves the adage, "They aren't crooks because they are smart."

I'd love to hear Dr. Rick Arthur's comment on Mullins saying he gives Air Power before races in CA all the time?

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

Does it even matter WHAT he was trying to give the horse? I don't care if he was feeding a peppermint, the point is you can't give ANYTHING in the detention barn. And that's why he should be punished.

Thank you for bringing this thread back to reality.

[Danzig]

just opened the april 18 bloodhorse, and found this in an article about mullins and gato go win~

"(Mullins) just wasn't thinking and just made a mistake. He thought it was okay. With all the hype and excitement with I Want Revenge, he just didn't realize what he was doing." -Randy Hartley



doesn't sound as tho there will be a trainer switch for hartley/de renzo. they obviously agree with his type of operation, so what does that say about them?

perhaps i should have posted the above quote in the bullsh!t thread, because it reeks of bs to me.

mullins wasn't thinking? he thought it was okay?!?! if anyone knows what the rules are regarding a D barn, it would be JM-he's run out of them before.

[sumitas]

Hartley must think we are all a bunch of idiots . I hope NYRA and NY state will set him straight once and for all .

[Sightseek]

Fined and suspended 7 days (starting after the Derby).

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ded-seven-days

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Fined and suspended 7 days (starting after the Derby).

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ded-seven-days

did they ever make the lab results of the syringe public ?

[parsixfarms]

It's business as usual: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ded-seven-days.

And racing's leaders wonder why no one takes them serious when they state that they are serious about cleaning up the sport. Apparently, the "new" New York racing leaders are no better than their predecessors. The most humorous part of what looks like a negotiated resolution is that it will go into effect the day after the Kentucky Derby. How convenient.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

did they ever make the lab results of the syringe public ?

Better still.....did they even tell you what testing they did on the syringe?

[sumitas]

The only way I can make sense of this light punishment is that the scratch of Got To Win was taken in to account .

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by sumitas

The only way I can make sense of this light punishment is that the scratch of Got To Win was taken in to account .

no
they want the story to go away-so they 'handled' it in the hopes that it is allowed to die. can't have the trainer of the derby fave coming into the race with this still over his head.