Street Sense Number

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Gulfstream did not always have the same dates as they used to switch with Hialeah.

And before that, Hialeah had the choice early winter dates every year, with Gulfstream getting the later dates.

--Dunbar

This might come out FUBAR...

Breeders� Cup Juvenile winners in 3-year-old debut
Year Juvenile winner date of return finish Race Derby finish
+2007 Street Sense 3/17 ? Tampa Bay Derby ?
+2006 Stevie Wonderboy 1/14 2nd San Rafael --
2005 Wilko 3/19 4th San Rafael 6th
+2004 Action This Day 2/8 4th Sham 6th
+2003 Vindication retired
+2002 Johannesburg 4/7 2nd Irish Group 3 8th
+2001 Macho Uno 7/25 2nd allowance --
+2000 Anees 3/19 3rd San Felipe 13th
+1999 Answer Lively 1/30 6th Lecomte 10th
+1998 Favorite Trick 3/14 1st Swale 8th
+1997 Boston Harbor 2/2 4th Santa Catalina --
1996 Unbridled�s Song 2/4 2nd Hutcheson 5th
+1995 Timber Country 3/4 3rd San Rafael 3rd
1994 Brocco 3/20 2nd San Felipe 4th
+1993 Gilded Time 11/6 3rd BC Sprint --
+1992 Arazi 4/7 1st French Group 3 8th
+1991 Fly So Free 3/14 1st Swale 5th
+1990 Rhythm 2/10 7th Hutcheson --
1989 Is It True 4/14 5th allowance --
1988 Success Express 1/27 3rd San Vicente--
+1987 Capote 4/4 4th Gotham eased
+1986 Tasso 3/15 1st $55,000 stakes ---
+1985 Chief�s Crown 3/2 1st Swale 3rd

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

To an extent , yes. But since workouts are generally never done at racing speed you don't get the full effect. At least that's the way it seems to me.
Maybe Cannon Shell can comment on that.

Why work for free when you can run and get paid?

A sprint race would move a horse along a lot further than a fast work.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why work for free when you can run and get paid?

A sprint race would move a horse along a lot further than a fast work.

Would you have recommended starting Street Sense in a sprint or would you have followed the path he's currently on?

I dont know if anyone can explain what happened to Hansel, he doesnt seem to be a horse who showed a bounce pattern, He won the Preakness and Belmont after the horrible 10th in the derby. In 14 career starts he only was off the board twice, I am not sure what the other one was, I doubt if it was as bad as the derby.

I thought I heard somewhere that he may have spooked or something with the crowd at the derby, but I guess no one has really explained it. His record just doesnt seem to fit him as a candidate for a bounce.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Would you have recommended starting Street Sense in a sprint or would you have followed the path he's currently on?

I dont have enough information to suggest any particular horse should do it or not. But in general you just dont see that many horses do it anymore and I cant figure out why.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont have enough information to suggest any particular horse should do it or not. But in general you just dont see that many horses do it anymore and I cant figure out why.

Ok, thanks.

Originally Posted by Cardus

His record does indicate that, after two terrific efforts within five weeks of the Derby, he did bounce in the Derby. He was in it until the 1/8th pole, and then folded.

But then I still dont get it. He ran two very good, if not excellent races, w/in 5 weeks of that effort.He won Preakness and Belmont. If he was in it till the 1/8 pole (which Ive forgotten) then he must have made some great effort in the derby. So he clearly didnt get a break in the derby...so how does he win the next two on the TC trail?

Unbridled, Sea Hero, FUnny Cide might be better examples of horses that bounce, but I'd have to go look at the PPs to be sure. Im not so sure of theory in any case at least as applied to TC performers. Maybe it works for lower levels of horses...