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Old 10-22-2013, 05:15 PM
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Have to think they go in the JF Turf. Don't think Casse want to run on dirt with no lasix.
What would Lasix have to do with it? There is no lasix in JF Turf either.

How about the fact that the filly is by Artie Schiller, and never been on dirt before?
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:45 PM
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oh no, i see medal count is listed in juvenile???? why on earth is romans doing this? I kinda like this horse as I said on an earlier thread. Steve, is there any reason why Romans is thinking about entering him?? seems WAY over his head at this point in his career and I just hope it doesn't ruin him. if he trains out in Calif. Steve can you let me know how it goes? just don't see a 2yr old Dynaformer doing well but I hope im wrong.

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Old 10-24-2013, 12:25 PM
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Kiaran McLaughlin ‏@KPMRacingStable: In the BC Juvenile Fillies Turf Sky Painter will be ridden by Luis Saez and Dancing House will be ridden by Mike Smith.
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Old 10-25-2013, 12:25 PM
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Got Shades (Danny Pish/Gary Stevens) & Home School (Doug O'Neill/Mario Gutierrez) BOTH into Juv. Turf after decisions/defections this morning..
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:25 PM
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Secret Compass is the filly to beat in the Juvenile Fillies. In the Chandelier Stakes which she won, it was 18 lengths from the third place finisher to fourth, a sign of a quality race. She has the tactical speed to not fall too far off the pace.

She will have first run and win.
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Old 10-26-2013, 10:33 PM
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Secret Compass is the filly to beat in the Juvenile Fillies. In the Chandelier Stakes which she won, it was 18 lengths from the third place finisher to fourth, a sign of a quality race. She has the tactical speed to not fall too far off the pace.

She will have first run and win.
It could also be the sign of a poor race and in looking at the runners in there, I'm thinking poor race instead of quality.

Didn't She's a Tiger run the better race in the Chandelier?
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Old 10-26-2013, 10:53 PM
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It could also be the sign of a poor race and in looking at the runners in there, I'm thinking poor race instead of quality.

Didn't She's a Tiger run the better race in the Chandelier?
I'm not sure if Scandalous Act will be sent, and Artemis Agrotera owns a lot of speed too (although she gets a more patient jockey in Lezcano).

Yes, She's a Tiger ran the better race, but I'm just worried she'll get caught in a duel. If she does, Secret Compass will have first run.

Then again, with jockeys as chicken as they are today, maybe this scenario won't happen and they will let She's a Tiger coast to victory. I may use both She's a Tiger and Secret Compass.
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Old 10-27-2013, 02:29 PM
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Secret Compass is the filly to beat in the Juvenile Fillies. In the Chandelier Stakes which she won, it was 18 lengths from the third place finisher to fourth, a sign of a quality race. She has the tactical speed to not fall too far off the pace.

She will have first run and win.
She has to move way up to beat the exacta horses from the Frizette.
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Old 10-27-2013, 03:27 PM
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She has to move way up to beat the exacta horses from the Frizette.
Numbers wise yes. But the Frizette fillies also have to negotiate two turns for the first time. I see that Sweet Reason worked a slow mile around two turns this morning just to get a feel of the added lead changing going two turns..
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Old 10-27-2013, 03:47 PM
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She has to move way up to beat the exacta horses from the Frizette.
I also think horses that prepped at Santa Anita tend to fare well in the dirt Juvenile Fillies when it's held at Santa Anita, like Beholder and Halfbridled. Maybe you have a point though.
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Old 10-28-2013, 06:35 AM
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COMPANY LINES: Both Culprit (MSW, 1m, dirt, 80 Beyer) and Tiger Bourbon (ALW/N2L, 8.5f-T, 70 Beyer) won Sunday at Churchill exiting also-ran efforts in the G3 Bourbon which has Poker Player, Bashart and Bon Accord in the J-Turf.. Also note that Ride On Curlin (3rd behind Havana & Honor Code in the Champagne) was a non-threatening 3rd as the even money favorite in the Street Sense..

At Belmont, note Mansion House 3rd in U.S. debut in Awad. Was 3rd behind Wilshire Boulevard in G3 at Curragh last.
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:24 AM
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FRI 7th (2:25) Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 1 All Cash Saez L Lukas D Wayne 122 30-1
2 2 Giovanni Boldini Moore R L O'Brien Aidan P 122 7-2
3 3 Got Shades Stevens G L Pish Danny 122 30-1
4 4 Outstrip (GB) Smith M E Appleby Charles 122 4-1
5 5 Bobby's Kitten Castellano J J Brown Chad C 122 5-2
6 6 Home School (IRE) Bejarano R O'Neill Doug 122 Blk-On 30-1
7 7 Aotearoa Nakatani C S Powell Leonard 122 12-1
8 8 Bon Accord Rosario J Sano Antonio 122 20-1
9 9 Wilshire Boulevard (IRE) Buick W T O'Brien Aidan P 122 8-1
10 10 Ontology Gutierrez Mario Callaghan Simon 122 30-1
11 11 Poker Player Hill C Catalano Wayne M 122 12-1
12 12 Shamshon (IRE) Hughes R Hannon Richard 122 12-1
13 13 Bashart Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 122 6-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 7-8-9) / Daily Double Pick 4 (Races 7-8-9-10)



FRI 9th (3:50) Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 1 Nesso Garcia M Belvoir Vann 122 20-1
2 2 Al Thakhira (GB) Moore R L Botti Marco 122 6-1
3 3 Colonel Joan Talamo J Harty Eoin 122 20-1
4 4 Kitten Kaboodle Velazquez J R Brown Chad C 122 12-1
5 5 Granny Mc's Kitten Castellano J J Brown Chad C 122 20-1
6 6 Vorda (FR) Peslier O Sogorb Philippe 122 4-1
7 7 Street Sailing Garcia Alan Mettee Richard C 122 15-1
8 8 Chriselliam (IRE) Hughes R Hills Charles 122 6-1
9 9 Dancing House Smith M E McLaughlin Kiaran P 122 20-1
10 10 Clenor (IRE) Bejarano R O'Neill Doug 122 8-1
11 11 Ready to Act Rosario J Brown Chad C 122 8-1
12 12 Testa Rossi (FR) Lezcano J Brown Chad C 122 8-1
13 13 Sky Painter Saez L McLaughlin Kiaran P 122 15-1
14 14 My Conquestadory Da Silva E R Casse Mark 122 9-2

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 9-10-11) / Daily Double Super High Five



SAT 4th (12:05) Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

1 1 Artemis Agrotera Lezcano J Hushion Michael E 122 3-1
2 2 Rosalind Rosario J McPeek Kenneth G 122 8-1
3 3 Designer Legs Talamo J Stewart Dallas 122 30-1
4 4 Secret Compass Velazquez J R Baffert Bob 122 6-1
5 5 Ria Antonia Castellano J J Englehart Jeremiah C 122 Blk-On 30-1
6 6 Concave Gutierrez Mario O'Neill Doug 122 15-1
7 7 Untapable Napravnik R Asmussen Steven M 122 5-1
8 8 Scandalous Act Nunez E O O'Connell Kathleen 122 8-1
9 9 Sweet Reason Solis A Gyarmati Leah 122 5-2
10 10 She's a Tiger Stevens G L Bonde Jeff 122 6-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 4-5-6) / Daily Double Pick 4 (Races 4-5-6-7)



SAT 8th (2:43) Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

1 1 Smarty's Echo Baird E T Smith Anne P 122 20-1
2 2 Dance With Fate Bejarano R Eurton Peter 122 8-1
3 3 Mexikoma Garcia Alan Mettee Richard C 122 12-1
4 4 New Year's Day Garcia M Baffert Bob 122 8-1
5 5 Bond Holder Gutierrez Mario O'Neill Doug 122 8-1
6 6 Tap It Rich Smith M E Baffert Bob 122 6-1
7 7 Cleburne Nakatani C S Romans Dale 122 12-1
8 8 Conquest Titan Da Silva E R Casse Mark 122 30-1
9 9 Rum Point Maldonado E O'Neill Doug 122 30-1
10 10 We Miss Artie Castellano J J Pletcher Todd A 122 8-1
11 11 Medal Count Albarado R J Romans Dale 122 20-1
12 12 Diamond Bachelor Leparoux J R Biancone Patrick L 122 12-1
13 13 Havana Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 122 5-2
14 14 Strong Mandate Rosario J Lukas D Wayne 122 6-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 8-9-10) / Daily Double
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:01 PM
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Using Mexikoma as a long shot with Tap It Rich and Havana, who although drew poorly, does seem to be one of the most talented in the field.

Too bad so many of the horses in the Juvie have mostly synthetic form.
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