Butch Lehr on bias controversy -- Horseplayer Daily - Page 2

Crown@club · #1 11-21-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

"Horses who tried to rally in the middle of the track seemed to lose their momentum and were outkicked by horses nearer the rail."-Beyer

"Horses who tried to rally in the middle of the track seemed to lose their momentum and were outkicked by horses nearer the rail."-Beyer

"Horses who tried to rally in the middle of the track seemed to lose their momentum and were outkicked by horses nearer the rail."-Beyer

"Horses who tried to rally in the middle of the track seemed to lose their momentum and were outkicked by horses nearer the rail."-Beyer

"Horses who tried to rally in the middle of the track seemed to lose their momentum and were outkicked by horses nearer the rail."-Beyer

Say it again. I didn't hear you!

SCUDSBROTHER · #2 11-21-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club

Say it again. I didn't hear you!

"Horses who tried to rally in the middle of the track seemed to lose their momentum and were outkicked by horses nearer the rail."-Beyer

SCUDSBROTHER · #3 11-21-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club

Say it again. I didn't hear you!

"Horses who tried to rally in the middle of the track seemed to lose their momentum and were outkicked by horses nearer the rail."-Beyer

Crown@club · #4 11-21-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

"Horses who tried to rally in the middle of the track seemed to lose their momentum and were outkicked by horses nearer the rail."-Beyer

Nope its not coming through. LOL!

SentToStud · #5 11-21-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

"Horses who tried to rally in the middle of the track seemed to lose their momentum and were outkicked by horses nearer the rail."-Beyer

repeatledy quoting Beyer?

He went two deep to find Ouija Board.

He found nothing else on BC Day.

What's he gonna say?

#6 11-21-2006, 06:11 PM

The surface really threw me off my game. However, any horse in the BC can win. Any horse. If the inside was that great, how did INVASOR win the Classic?

#7 11-21-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TeddyRex

The surface really threw me off my game. However, any horse in the BC can win. Any horse. If the inside was that great, how did INVASOR win the Classic?

He was a highly superior animal to those he was facing.

brianwspencer · #8 11-21-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TeddyRex

The surface really threw me off my game. However, any horse in the BC can win. Any horse. If the inside was that great, how did INVASOR win the Classic?

I think you bring up a good point about it being BC day, and many are forgetting that. BC day is the only day of the year where throwing out multiple GI winners sometimes makes sense -- GI winners running up the track is nothing new on BC day, so that argument is also pretty worthless in any discussion of bias. As if longshots running huge races and horses cracking the trifecta that shouldn't is somehow a 2006-only phenomenon

randallscott35 · #9 11-21-2006, 06:17 PM

I think the bias was less evident as the day went on. But I would have to be Ray Charles to miss the fact that there was one to begin with.

#10 11-21-2006, 06:17 PM

I can't wait for all those good races this weekend that can help end the breeders cup hangover.
I know its slow now, we are in between Tri Crown season and BC season, but it will be nice to put this one to bed.

How about that Discreet Cat and Nobiz Like Showbiz huh?

brianwspencer · #11 11-21-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I know its slow now, we are in between Tri Crown season and BC season, but it will be nice to put this one to bed.

Trust me Oracle, while it was probably a certainty that the bias discussion would occur again -- it was not my intention. I just found it fascinating that nobody has ever asked Lehr what he did. Nobody cared. Everyone just made their own assumptions based on what they saw (and some of us disagree about what we saw, and no amount of debate will change that), and never wondered to compare the things they saw the track team doing to the other days of racing.

I think it's funny that nobody complained to him, the stewards, or anyone during the day -- you'd think that would be the prime time to say something about an unfair track, wouldn't you?

It was meant to just be informational, because I wasn't sure if everyone would read it otherwise. I'm as disinterested in the bias debate as anyone is, but found this interesting and informative.

SCUDSBROTHER · #12 11-21-2006, 08:26 PM

"I think it's funny that nobody complained to him, the stewards, or anyone during the day -- you'd think that would be the prime time to say something about an unfair track, wouldn't you?"

Why f'n bother? Look how you've attacked people on here for writing about that track condition.Now you wonder why people didn't complain? He would just accuse peoplel(like he did in the article,) of using the track as an excuse for losing.There is no upside to it.Trainers talked to the media about the track,but didn't bother going to talk to him about it.After seeing the way people on here have acted about it,I wouldn't bother talking to him either.ONEIL told the interviewers that it was very quick down on the rail.BUTCH says he had the T.V. on,but he must have missed that.

Dunbar · #13 11-22-2006, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I can't wait for all those good races this weekend that can help end the breeders cup hangover.
I know its slow now, we are in between Tri Crown season and BC season, but it will be nice to put this one to bed.

How about that Discreet Cat and Nobiz Like Showbiz huh?

And the Clark on Friday. It will be amusing if Super Frolic takes it, after the connections made that idiotic choice of running in the BC Mile!

--Dunbar