8/7 (DMR): Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You all thought that she wasn't anything special because she wasn't beating much and she wasn't winning by big margins. You all thought she had little or no chance in the BC Classic.

I gave her a big chance to win the BC Classic last year. Who was more deserving of favortisim than her in that spot?

It was a terrible edition of the BC Classic .. Tiago had the best finish of any American in the '08 Classic.

Her competiton and margins of victory are only being so wholeheartedly mocked because of the fact that people are wildly overrating her - run a poll on who the greatest horse of all time, male or female is ... Secretariat or Spectacular Bid have NO chance with Zenyatta.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

What is so silly is that many of you keep making the same silly arguments that you were making last year. You all thought that she wasn't anything special because she wasn't beating much and she wasn't winning by big margins. You all thought she had little or no chance in the BC Classic.

After she stepped up and won the BC Classic, I would have thought that that would be enough for you to realize that you were wrong and that her winning margins and her level of competition are pretty much meaningless. Her win in the BC Classic proved that there's more in the tank than she's showing. And yet here you go again making this same argument that she must not be that good because she's beating mediocre competition by small margins. I just don't get it. The BC Classic proved that that argument is wrong and yet you guys still make that same argument.

I'm not saying that she's the greatest horse ever. I'm simply saying that you can't measure her based on these races because she is clearly capable of doing more as she proved in the BC Classic.

Holy crap, how do you people still not understand this?

We don't think she sucks. We think she's awesome, which is what makes her campaign even more disappointing and infuriating. She's not being allowed to prove herself and her greatness. One challenging race a year isn't acceptable for a supposed all-time great. We get sick of hearing about her incredible accomplishments when she's not doing anything historically significant except extending a winning streak that no one with a brain cares about. If she's capable of more, they should show it. She's going to go down in the history books as the biggest 'what if' horse whose career wasn't ended early.

This straw man argument about how anyone who isn't satisfied with these monotonous life-and-death victories over claimers automatically must think she's awful, it has to go. She's a beast, and she deserves applause. But stop telling me how legendary she is, when she's never allowed to prove it against top competition.

[herkhorse]

If there is more in her tank why not use it? There is no shame in losing a race once in a while FFS! If she's really the best then run against the best and there would be no argument.Yeesh! One great race out of 17, cool!, and I'm far from a hater but get real. maggots, yea right. I love the horse but you are all nuts.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

What is so silly is that many of you keep making the same silly arguments that you were making last year. You all thought that she wasn't anything special because she wasn't beating much and she wasn't winning by big margins. You all thought she had little or no chance in the BC Classic.
After she stepped up and won the BC Classic, I would have thought that that would be enough for you to realize that you were wrong and that her winning margins and her level of competition are pretty much meaningless. Her win in the BC Classic proved that there's more in the tank than she's showing. And yet here you go again making this same argument that she must not be that good because she's beating mediocre competition by small margins. I just don't get it. The BC Classic proved that that argument is wrong and yet you guys still make that same argument.

I'm not saying that she's the greatest horse ever. I'm simply saying that you can't measure her based on these races because she is clearly capable of doing more as she proved in the BC Classic.

That really isnt true. Who exactly was the big horse everyone was touting?
The truth is that the people who knock her were right last year and are still right. These arent great races. These arent good races. She is beating crap and looking very ordinary doing it. Spin it how ever you'd like but she is really just a nice horse with quirky habits, a strong closing kick and a cupcake schedule.

Unless you just WANT her to be more than she is. Then you can say she is better than Affirmed or rank her 12 all time or whatever blasphemy you want to go with.

And you want to know why people arent flocking to see RA and Z? Because most everyone outside of 7 year old girls and retards are tired of watching glorified exibition races.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You've never been around a brutal Narcissist. All you people are pssd about her, but you tune in to get your punishment. You all think (for at least a couple seconds each race) that you might have her beat. Then she punishes you yet again. Most of ya been trying to get her beat for what? 10 races? She punishes you, but also wants to keep giving you hope. That way, she knows you'll come back for another beating. You have a huge shot at beating her with BLAME, but don't bet money that you need.

I think what you meant to say about Zenyatta was "Thank you, your Majesty. May I have another?"

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

She apparently did not ship great when she went to Oaklawn this year. The trip knocked her out and she lost weight. Knowing that, why would they want to ship her again this year before they ship her to Kentucky in November for the BC Classic? Why would they want to knock her out before the big race?

All horses are different. Some horses handle shipping really well and others don't. Going into this year, I think they were planning on shipping quite a bit this year. But since she didn't handle it particulary well, they're not going to do it again before the BC Classic. I guess there is a small chance that they will ship her for her final prep but I would say the odds are against it.

I agree. I think they would most like a chance to go after not only Rachel but your Quality Road, Blame, Rail Trip, etc in one go. I think they're concerned about what could happen in the Classic if they go for the Beldame first this year. I think they were tempted by the race last year because they go back for the Classic on their home "plastic," but this time, we're talking non-home environment #2 and that wouldn't do her any favors (assuming there are actually shipping issues). I feel like there's a very good reason we haven't seen 2 "eastern" races back to back which is a shame because it has zero to do with her talent. Sure her issue with Churchill last year was weather related but was any of it connected with shipping strain? I guess at least this year post-Oaklawn it's obvious that it's stressful for her. Might almost be better if she doesn't come to the Beldame so we get the best Z possible for the BCC. This assumes of course that I'm not completely misreading the situation, and she actually is fine with shipping. In the event of that, oops.

[Danzig]

i think they go for the record wins streak and then retire her. no classic, no trip, finish in california and send her to the broodmare barn. if they are unwilling to take on colts this year on poly, why would they want to on dirt? she loves it out west, loves the poly. she's won a classic, no need for another.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You've never been around a brutal Narcissist. All you people are pssd about her, but you tune in to get your punishment. You all think (for at least a couple seconds each race) that you might have her beat. Then she punishes you yet again. Most of ya been trying to get her beat for what? 10 races? She punishes you, but also wants to keep giving you hope. That way, she knows you'll come back for another beating. You have a huge shot at beating her with BLAME, but don't bet money that you need.

Then in the end the voters for HOY punisher her for her lame campaigns. Because of The Moss's ridiculously conservative/boring campaign she will once again lose HOY honors. What ever happened to ZZZZZZZZZZZZZenyatta's connections planning a different 2010 campaign so fans at different racetracks could see her? I guess that tough race at OP against that monster field was enough.

Hopefully The Moss's will be content yet again to win Older Female Horse and nothing more. If she even wins that.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Then in the end the voters for HOY punisher her for her lame campaigns. Because of The Moss's ridiculously conservative/boring campaign she will once again lose HOY honors. What ever happened to ZZZZZZZZZZZZZenyatta's connections planning a different 2010 campaign so fans at different racetracks could see her? I guess that tough race at OP against that monster field was enough.

Hopefully The Moss's will be content yet again to win Older Female Horse and nothing more. If she even wins that.

It's a big "if" but if she wins the BC Classic this year, she's got to win HOY. Who else is going to get it?

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Then in the end the voters for HOY punisher her for her lame campaigns. Because of The Moss's ridiculously conservative/boring campaign she will once again lose HOY honors. What ever happened to ZZZZZZZZZZZZZenyatta's connections planning a different 2010 campaign so fans at different racetracks could see her? I guess that tough race at OP against that monster field was enough.

Hopefully The Moss's will be content yet again to win Older Female Horse and nothing more. If she even wins that.

IF she can pull off a couple more wins (prep race at SA and the BCC), we're talkin' immortality.


And that will drive the haters absolutely craZZZZZZZZZZZy...

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by kgar311

That race hands down had to of been the worst G1 field in the history of horse racing. Everyone involved in putting that race together and being apart of it should hang their heads in shame. That was NOT horse racing. It was a sham and Zenyatta was almost embarrassed.

As embarrassed as Quality Road not being able to bring home the Whitney afte a 48 and change half?

Let's see, the 2009 Derby winner up the track. The winner of the Suburban, up the track (please spare me the argument. He beat the M/L Derby fave) Musket Man? Musket Man = Jaques Who.

It's Blame vs. Zenyatta closing as evening falls at the Downs.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Revidere

As embarrassed as Quality Road not being able to bring home the Whitney afte a 48 and change half?

Let's see, the 2009 Derby winner up the track. The winner of the Suburban, up the track (please spare me the argument. He beat the M/L Derby fave) Musket Man? Musket Man = Jaques Who.

It's Blame vs. Zenyatta closing as evening falls at the Downs.

There's a huge difference in attempting to hold off Blame and attempting to run down Rinterval...

QR is placed in spots he can lose. Zenyatta is placed in spots where she would be embarrassed to lose.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

There's a huge difference in attempting to hold off Blame and attempting to run down Rinterval...

QR is placed in spots he can lose. Zenyatta is placed in spots where she would be embarrassed to lose.

He was 2/5 in the M/L!!!!! All of a sudden Blame is Kelso, Forego rolled into one.

Trust me, off those slow fractions, it was embarrasing for Quality road to lose.
Must have been the braid.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Revidere

He was 2/5 in the M/L!!!!! All of a sudden Blame is Kelso, Forego rolled into one.

Trust me, off those slow fractions, it was embarrasing for Quality road to lose.
Must have been the braid.

So Rinterval and Blame are basically equals? Quality Road looked very flat today, but come on.

Originally Posted by Revidere

He was 2/5 in the M/L!!!!! All of a sudden Blame is Kelso, Forego rolled into one.

Trust me, off those slow fractions, it was embarrasing for Quality road to lose.
Must have been the braid.

This is further proof that you can be literally brain dead and still be a photographer.

[hockey2315]

94 Beyer.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

This is further proof that you can be literally brain dead and still be a photographer.

Who writes your material?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And then proceeds to beat the mighty Rinterval by a desperate head. Surely she was thinking "ZOMG this'll totes get the Rachelites hopez up LOL" the whole stretch. In addition to her dance moves, she also has a sharp sense of humor too!

Sheza a teasing bitch. Ain't it obvious? She loves the show.

[brockguy]

She'd a fair bit tucked up her sleeve I thought. It was a shocking field but surely most people realise that some horses just put in the bare minimum to win a race.. Or am I just caught up in Zenyatta mania??

[kgar311]

Just heard the Beyer for that race. 78