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Who thinks the current administration has done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

I don't. I believe they've encouraged muslims to follow the extremist line of thinking.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Who thinks the current administration has done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

I don't. I believe they've encouraged muslims to follow the extremist line of thinking.

Bush has dropped the ball, I agree! Clinton and all other Presidents failed before him as well! I don't like the argument that to do anything only increases the number of folks that don't like us and are willing to strap bombs to their chests...I think you have to realize that it takes more than simple hatred to make a "good terrorist" (talk about an oxymoron)...you first must have a feeling of hopelessness and helplessness brought about by generations of poverty and ruthless rule of the powers that be, then you need the religious radicalism that gives those folks hope, if not in this world then the next, and finally...you project all the justifiable anger toward the intended target (that would be us or the Israelis). I realize that the leaders are usually highly educated and often come from filthy rich families...but they don't walk into schools and shopping centers with bombs on their chest!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Bush has dropped the ball, I agree! Clinton and all other Presidents failed before him as well! I don't like the argument that to do anything only increases the number of folks that don't like us and are willing to strap bombs to their chests...I think you have to realize that it takes more than simple hatred to make a "good terrorist" (talk about an oxymoron)...you first must have a feeling of hopelessness and helplessness brought about by generations of poverty and ruthless rule of the powers that be, then you need the religious radicalism that gives those folks hope, if not in this world then the next, and finally...you project all the justifiable anger toward the intended target (that would be us or the Israelis). I realize that the leaders are usually highly educated and often come from filthy rich families...but they don't walk into schools and shopping centers with bombs on their chest!

Here's a tidbit of info that pisses me off about the Clinton administration and the current one...

Richard Clarke produced a strategy paper, presented to Clinton, Sandy Berger and other national security principals on December 20th, 2000, which laid out the following:

Break up al-Qaeda cells and arrest their personnel; systematically attack financial support for terrorist activities; freeze its assets; stop its funding through fake charities; give aid to governments having trouble with al-Qaeda ; scale up covert action in Afghanistan to eliminate the training camps and kill bin Laden himself; build support for the Northern Alliance and put Special Forces on the ground in Afghanistan.

This plan was not implemented, as a senior Cinton aide told Time Magazine, because if it were, Clinton would basically be handing the Bush administration a war when they took office one month later. Instead, they gave the plan to the Bush administration, with Sandy Berger arranging no less than ten full briefings to Condi Rice. The plan was not picked up until post September 11th, 2001, at which point pretty much all of it became national strategy, along with the foundation of the Department of Homeland Security, as per legislation authored by Democratic Senators Lieberman and Cleland some nine months earlier. Of course, Cleland didn't vote for the new Homeland Security department when it was tabled because it came with the provision that the new department's employees were to be stripped of civil service protection. This meant that when he ran against Saxby Chambliss in 2002, Chambliss ran ads claiming Cleland didn't care about national security and promptly beat him.

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**** like that is why I have little faith in our government. They talk a big game, but halfass everything.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Who thinks the current administration has done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

I don't. I believe they've encouraged muslims to follow the extremist line of thinking.

Ummm ... Pillow ... or should I call you Mr. Pants? ... do you remember the Sherlock Holmes story "The Hound Of The Baskervilles" ... where the solution hinged on a dog that didn't bark?

Well ... what we've had for the past five years ... are terrorists who couldn't strike. They want to ... they really want to murder all of us ... but they haven't ... because they've been stopped.

Has the Bush administration done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

No ... they've done a PERFECT job ... zero terrorist attacks on Americans ... for five years ... and counting. Is it possible to do better than that?

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Ummm ... Pillow ... or should I call you Mr. Pants? ... do you remember the Sherlock Holmes story "The Hound Of The Baskervilles" ... where the solution hinged on a dog that didn't bark?

Well ... what we've had for the past five years ... are terrorists who couldn't strike. They want to ... they really want to murder all of us ... but they haven't ... because they've been stopped.

Has the Bush administration done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

No ... they've done a PERFECT job ... zero terrorist attacks on Americans ... for five years ... and counting. Is it possible to do better than that?

Yeah nevermind the July 4th, 2002 murder of two Israelis at LAX by an egyptian gunman. That doesn't count because they weren't american.

Keep up the good work! America **** yeah!!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Ummm ... Pillow ... or should I call you Mr. Pants? ... do you remember the Sherlock Holmes story "The Hound Of The Baskervilles" ... where the solution hinged on a dog that didn't bark?

Well ... what we've had for the past five years ... are terrorists who couldn't strike. They want to ... they really want to murder all of us ... but they haven't ... because they've been stopped.

Has the Bush administration done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

No ... they've done a PERFECT job ... zero terrorist attacks on Americans ... for five years ... and counting. Is it possible to do better than that?

The problem BB isn't on the home front, the problem is that we've gained little abroad. I agree that we've opened a very large can of whoop-as-s on Al Queda and greatly reduced their ability to carry out covert operations in America but back to my statements about evil....while we are making their lives a living hell, we are doing little to address the recruitment of new terrorists. There has to be a game plan and it has to be long term and public! We must demand greater freedom for the disadvantaged folks of the region...once they start to have a little hope and see that it was the US who went public and tightened the screws on their leaders, it will be harder to convince them that blowing up schools or crashing planes will make their peoples' lives better. The terrorists of today must be destroyed...not compromised with or reasoned with...destroyed! But at the same time, we must stop the influx of young hopeless folks into their ranks...you don't do that by occupying Iraq or laying in bed with certain Arab despots!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Who thinks the current administration has done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

I don't. I believe they've encouraged muslims to follow the extremist line of thinking.

they've obviously done a good job in preventing terrorism in the US. On the other hand, our going into Iraq has angered a lot of Muslims and this may create more terrorists.

I actually think it's ridiculous that Muslims are angry that we went into Iraq. They should be happy. The people in Iraq were happy. They wanted us to come. Saddam Hussein was terrorizing the people in Iraq. I can understand if Americans are mad that we into Iraq. Americans could argue that it was unnecessary and the cost was too great. But it's absurd for Muslims to be angry. We were helping the people there. We weren't hurting them. The situation there may not be great right now, but that's not our fault. If the Shiites and Sunnis want to kill each other, there's not much we can do about it. You would think that they would want to live in peace but they would rather kill each other.