Barbaro (the Champ)

Originally Posted by Danzig188

bernardini didn't run in the belmont.

of course that's beside the point....if bernardini wins out the year, he'll get top 3 yo and hoy. he can lose the jcgc and win the bcc and get them both. but if he loses his next two, barbaro will get top 3 yo. at THIS point, bernardini hasn't defeated anyone that barbaro hasn't beaten--matter of fact, bernardini hasn't faced everyone barbaro met on the track.

You are correct. I forgot about Jazil. I'll leave the post uncorrected so others can have some fun with me.

[Scav]

Actually what you might see is Bern to win HORSE of the year and Barbaro to win 3 year old of the year. I think it happened in Kitten's Joy year, but that might have been different because it involved different surfaces

[chupster2]

Originally Posted by Scav

Actually what you might see is Bern to win HORSE of the year and Barbaro to win 3 year old of the year. I think it happened in Kitten's Joy year, but that might have been different because it involved different surfaces

Yeah, that's entirely possible too.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Scav

Actually what you might see is Bern to win HORSE of the year and Barbaro to win 3 year old of the year. I think it happened in Kitten's Joy year, but that might have been different because it involved different surfaces

If Bernardini wins the Breedrs Cup Classic he should be Horse of the Year and top 3 yo award.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by chromer

You are correct. I forgot about Jazil. I'll leave the post uncorrected so others can have some fun with me.

poor jazil!!!

steppenwolfer is done for the year, any word on jazil?

[Thunder Gulch]

Hey, I love Barbaro and what he did in Florida and Louisville, but this is Bernardini's championship to win or lose depending on what happens. That's just the tough reality of the race as it stands. Barbaro wouldn't be the first to go to the sidelines and lose division honors due to an injury, so let's not overstate his case and give him the sympathy vote. Voting for Barbaro at this point would be like voting for Bellamy Road after last year's Wood.

[sumitas]

Imo, Barabro is still the reigning 3 yr old at this time. If Bern was in the Fla derby is see him coming in 3rd and losing the KD to Bobby. You can't take away what Bobby did or even what he could have done. on and off the track.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by chromer

IF Bernardini beats older horses in the his next race and runs well enough in the Classic I don't think there will be anything close to a debate.

He will have done things that Barbaro never had the chance to do and will be a deserving winner.

You can't think that Fl Derby + Kentucky Derby > Preakness + Belmont + Jim Dandy + Travers + beating older horses.

Bernardini will be a more accomplished horse if he beats older. How do you not give the award to the more accomplished animal?

BTW: This debate probably resolves itself with time. This feels a little like deciding now what I'll wear to a New Years party. I think I can probably wait before I decide.

Side with Coach here....the Travers was a match race against an over-matched Bluegrass Cat, small field, the Cat forced to alter his natural running style, and now news of his injury....the Travers and Jim Dandy were paid works for this horse! The crack about him beating Barbaro in the Preakness was classless and deserves no further response. Times? The Derby was faster than the Travers...much more demanding pace, 20 horses, talent level way way beyond any field this horse has faced! Bernardini may yet prove to be a great horse, he must do more than he has thus far to deserve being judged better than Barbaro!

[Danzig]

also, remember that bernardini only came into his own after barbaro exited the scene....his races later in the year should not carry more weight than barbaros early in the year.

but people are definitely into what have you done for me lately. sadly barbaro can't answer any further questions on the track.
believe me, some voters will think that if bernardini can beat older, it stands to reason that barbaro would have as well....it's not over.

ought to be interesting.


what a year.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

To the announcers on ESPN it seemed to be a forgone conculsiuon after the Travers that Bernardini had exhalted himself to 3-year old champion. It really made sick in the pit of my stomach, especially how Bailey explained it (with his beaten lengths theory). Bernardini beat 5 horses in late summer, 4 very average horses, and 1 good one. Well Barbaro destroyed 19 other horses in late SPRING...19 pretty damn good horses...the horse won the KY derby, FL derby, a stakes races on turf, and now because Bernardini is beating on shat later in the year he's a more deserving champion? At the end of the year the good competition separates to various stake races across the country (case in point, Lawyer Ron inthe St. Louis Derby). They are not all in KY. The Preakness & the Travers combined wasn't as impressive as KY was this year. Unless he wins the Breeder's Cup Classic, I'm not sold this horse could have beaten Barbaro, any place, any surface, any distance, any where.

LOL @ saying that Barbaro beat "19 pretty damn good horses". Please stop it. Just because it was the Derby doesn't mean all of the horses were pretty damn good. Or even good for that matter. In fact, if u take all 19, there might have been four average to good ones in the entire group. There aren't even 19 good horses in the entire crop.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

To the announcers on ESPN it seemed to be a forgone conculsiuon after the Travers that Bernardini had exhalted himself to 3-year old champion. It really made sick in the pit of my stomach, especially how Bailey explained it (with his beaten lengths theory). Bernardini beat 5 horses in late summer, 4 very average horses, and 1 good one. Well Barbaro destroyed 19 other horses in late SPRING...19 pretty damn good horses...the horse won the KY derby, FL derby, a stakes races on turf, and now because Bernardini is beating on shat later in the year he's a more deserving champion? At the end of the year the good competition separates to various stake races across the country (case in point, Lawyer Ron inthe St. Louis Derby). They are not all in KY. The Preakness & the Travers combined wasn't as impressive as KY was this year. Unless he wins the Breeder's Cup Classic, I'm not sold this horse could have beaten Barbaro, any place, any surface, any distance, any where.

If the year ended right now, I'm not sure which horse I would give it to. I think it's a very close call. However, I am expecting Bernardini to easily win the Jockey Club Gold Cup. Assuming that happens, then I think that easily puts Bernardini over the top.