Is there any air left at Santa Anita?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Hwjb

The defeat of Curlin had nothing to do with the surface, more the fact that he isn't quite the horse he was, coupled with being taken on by better horses than he's faced before. Simple, really, and no excuses.

I agree almost with all you said, but the "better horses he faced" statement is questionable....somewhat.

[Hwjb]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

I agree almost with all you said, but the "better horses he faced" statement is questionable....somewhat.

When did Curlin last face a horse (let alone three) rated in the 130s? I'm going to suggest not for a long time, perhaps ever.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

I agree almost with all you said, but the "better horses he faced" statement is questionable....somewhat.

that was by far the best field Curlin faced this year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

that was by far the best field Curlin faced this year.

yeah, it was.

[SilverRP]

Originally Posted by Hwjb

The defeat of Curlin had nothing to do with the surface, more the fact that he isn't quite the horse he was, coupled with being taken on by better horses than he's faced before. Simple, really, and no excuses.

Would Raven's Pass even had been in the race if it was raced on dirt?

[letswastemoney]

Ventura would have never been in that race if it were real dirt.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by SilverRP

Would Raven's Pass even had been in the race if it was raced on dirt?

what does that have to do with anything? Would Goldikova been in the mile if it was not on turf?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

zero DIRT championships were actually decided this weekend at Santa Anita.

I don't know why you would say that Zenyatta didn't wrap up a dirt championship as well this weekend given her run on both surfaces this year.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's turf. ...It is NOT a dirt surface and zero DIRT championships were actually decided this weekend at Santa Anita.

A synthetic surface is not turf, but if it is, then that explains why guys like Lukas and Zito never seem to win races over these surfaces.

Actually, I think that Zenyatta, Stardom Bound and Midshipman clinched championships, and Ventura made a case for one (although I would support Intangaroo for her campaign consisting of three Grade I wins).

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're kidding....right?

It's turf. It has nothing to do with whether or not you make money betting on it. It is NOT a dirt surface and zero DIRT championships were actually decided this weekend at Santa Anita.

The discussion has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one can make money betting on it.

Santa Anita's Pro-Ride is fair, its legit, and here to stay. Bad horses are still bad on it, good horses are still good on it. No speed bias, no closer bias, no inside/outside bias. The most logical, fittest, and better horses ran well and won there during the breeders cup. Curlin would have won too if Albarado would have given him a proper ride, instead of riding him like the win was a foregone conclusion and the only thing in question was the lengths between him and the rest of the field.

The stuff should be installed at every track in the world.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Santa Anita's Pro-Ride is fair, its legit, and here to stay. Bad horses are still bad on it, good horses are still good on it. No speed bias, no closer bias, no inside/outside bias. The most logical, fittest, and better horses ran well and won there during the breeders cup. Curlin would have won too if Albarado would have given him a proper ride, instead of riding him like the win was a foregone conclusion and the only thing in question was the lengths between him and the rest of the field.

The stuff should be installed at every track in the world.

[pba1817]

I win again!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pba1817

I win again!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Yes you do. Congrats on being named Clueless Poster of the Month.

[pba1817]

You guys are WAAAAAYY too easy to piss off....

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Santa Anita's Pro-Ride is fair, its legit, and here to stay. Bad horses are still bad on it, good horses are still good on it. No speed bias, no closer bias, no inside/outside bias. The most logical, fittest, and better horses ran well and won there during the breeders cup.

So I guess Hystericalady and Ginger Punch are bad horses....lol

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

So I guess Hystericalady and Ginger Punch are bad horses....lol

Of course not, but they had bad days... is that not logical to you, or are bad days only allowed when you run on a traditional dirt track?