Colonel John

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

This is a great opportunity to bet against both the big favs. Both tackling a surface they've never raced on. I'll more than happy to take a shot with some others.

totally agree, i wont be using brown or curlin on anything... there are so many factors that tell me neither one wins this race.... so many other options... go between, well armed, tiago, CASINO DRIVE, europeans, i know i am forgetting a few...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

This is a great opportunity to bet against both the big favs. Both tackling a surface they've never raced on. I'll more than happy to take a shot with some others.

exactly. with the money these two will attract, there will be very nice prices to be had on some really live horses. a great day to try to beat them.

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Big Brown and Curlin both deserve the BCC hype. I predict they will finish 1.) Big Brown and 2.) Curlin

I don't see Casino Drive or Colonel John hitting the board.

how can you make that prediction ? they will be heavy chalk, never running on any type of synthetic.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hrfan

how can you make that prediction ? they will be heavy chalk, never running on any type of synthetic.

This is very simple to answer. Look at both Big Brown and Curlin's records in 2008. Then look at the next best record after these two. You might need your binoculars to find another one worthy of picking.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

This is very simple to answer. Look at both Big Brown and Curlin's records in 2008. Then look at the next best record after these two. You might need your binoculars to find another one worthy of picking.

It's a bit presumptuous to assume they can translate those kind of performances to synthetic.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It's a bit presumptuous to assume they can translate those kind of performances to synthetic.

a bit?

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It's a bit presumptuous to assume they can translate those kind of performances to synthetic.

I guess it is just clear to me that any horse other than Curlin or Big Brown, not neccesarrily in that order winning the BCC would be nothing other than a longshot. and a surprise. Thier records this year make that statement simple to not only me but handicappers alike.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So let me get this straight. You don't like Big Brown or Curlin, yet put Casino Drive, Tiago and "europeans" on your list of contenders. Obviously the surface is the question mark with Curlin and Big Brown. But isn't it with Casino Drive?

The classic part of this is that Casino Drive could very well tank in that allowance race next week, making all of this moot.

And since we're talking about Casino Drive, I just wanted to comment on all of the posts and articles I had to read all summer long about how Casino Drive would have definitely won the Belmont, had he ran, given how Big Brown performed.

Its funny cuz in reality, considering Casino Drive's soundness problems and how he was training at the time, CD might have been the only horse Big Brown was capable of beating that day.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

The whole thing is weird to me. You have horses who perform on the track over and over again and we all want to sh.it on them. But for some reason Casino Drive breaks his maiden and runs a nice race in the Peter Pan in May. And he's a contender. I don't get it.

Buy on mystery sell on history

[letswastemoney]

It's really simple. Casino Drive is lightly raced, therefore we don't know how good he is. All other horses, we've seen how bad they are time and time again. We know the other 3 year olds don't have potential. There is no improvement for them.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So let me get this straight. You don't like Big Brown or Curlin, yet put Casino Drive, Tiago and "europeans" on your list of contenders. Obviously the surface is the question mark with Curlin and Big Brown. But isn't it with Casino Drive?

Japanese trained horses don't have surface limitations DaHoss.. they are fed nothing but Yellow tail and Spanish mackeral, along with the speacial message therapy, this works to harden their feet and allowes for them to glide over all surfaces.. Geez you are so behind the times WAKE UP

Sweet Jesus I hope not. His prep for the BCC was the TRAVERS ffs. If he wins the lemmings will start using the Belmont as the prep for the BCC.

[slotdirt]

I don't know much about the Euro contingent, but still find Henrythenavigator intriguing. Does anybody think the Cali contingent might end up making a good showing between Well Armed, Go Between, and Tiago?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I don't know much about the Euro contingent, but still find Henrythenavigator intriguing. Does anybody think the Cali contingent might end up making a good showing between Well Armed, Go Between, and Tiago?

Go Between is an East Coast horse. The other two you mentioned are iffy at 10f, IMO.

[letswastemoney]

I'm not sure why Tiago hasn't done better at 10 furlongs and longer but...I don't think Tiago's 3rd by 5 lengths in the Belmont Stakes was that bad. I can forgive Tiago for being 5th in the BC Classic last year since you either liked that slop fest or hated it. He was 4th in the SA Handicap but..he lost to 3 turf horses if you think about it. Then again, there will be good turf horses here again so..I don't know.

I don't know why he flopped in the Hollywood Gold Cup. Maybe he was just tired. lol.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I'm not sure why Tiago hasn't done better at 10 furlongs and longer but...I don't think Tiago's 3rd by 5 lengths in the Belmont Stakes was that bad. I can forgive Tiago for being 5th in the BC Classic last year since you either liked that slop fest or hated it. He was 4th in the SA Handicap but..he lost to 3 turf horses if you think about it. Then again, there will be good turf horses here again so..I don't know.

I don't know why he flopped in the Hollywood Gold Cup. Maybe he was just tired. lol.

I thought he sucked in the Derby, too.

Unless you think that Mike Smith whipping and driving past the wire while everyone else was easing up on their mounts constitutes a great finish...

In the Belmont he basically followed the good horses around the track without making much of a move or ever reaching contention. Which brings up another point aside from the distance question...he's simply not good enough.