Stewards- Country Star

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Linny

The filly damn near lost, it was a pretty contentious stretch run, the better horse won. She's a G1 winning filly in a NW2x for a trainer who's about 30% off the layoff. Trying to beat her makes sense if you are more afraid of being accused of being a chalk eating weasel than of tearing up tickets.

Once again, she wasn't the fastest horse in the race on grass, and she is what's supposed to be a dirt filly being thrown onto turf. She was a terrible bet at 4-5.

This blanket "She's a Grade 1 winning filly" defense is totally lazy and worthless. It puts horses like this on the same plateau as true Grade 1 caliber horses. This filly beat freaking Grace and Power on Cushion Track.. If you think that automatically makes her into a different class of horse, then you're probably the same idiot who bet her the two times before yesterday.

Your "arguments" are exactly why the horse was bet down to those indefensibly low odds. People like you ignore form and just assume every graded stakes horse from a good layoff trainer is automatically a layover. It's a foolish way to bet, but I get the impression that you don't bet much, so I don't know why I'm surprised that this is your logic.

Originally Posted by Linny

If you think she's a vulnerable fave, bet against but when she beats you it's moronic to scream about how bad she was.

Yeah, because she was so damn impressive today. I forgot that if a horrible 4-5 favorite wins by a half-length after zig-zagging throughout the stretch, the horse retroactively becomes a good horse. Well done.

[reese]

Originally Posted by Linny

Yeah, Frankel needs to start being a bad trainer and losing races so horseplayers can see competitive races. As Chuck says, it's not the trainers' roles to create a "fun betting race" for the bettors.
The filly damn near lost, it was a pretty contentious stretch run, the better horse won. She's a G1 winning filly in a NW2x for a trainer who's about 30% off the layoff. Trying to beat her makes sense if you are more afraid of being accused of being a chalk eating weasel than of tearing up tickets.
If you think she's a vulnerable fave, bet against but when she beats you it's moronic to scream about how bad she was.
It goes without saying that trainers and players have different interests. Trainers make money by running against "lesser" stock than their own.

Good post.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The question is rarely whether they fouled, it's usually whether they think somebody else would have won if they didn't get fouled. My opinion is she wasn't gunna get beat. She had quite a bit left(Frankel's usually do....I know what Joey was trying to do, but Frankel is usually simply a bully in this particular type of spot.) That's why I can't wait for this guy to retire. Loves to bring in this comebacking fresh chalk. Not exactly entertaining stuff. He's never really understood that this is supposed to be entertainment, but that's just my opinion.

He understands making deposits at the bank I bet.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

He understands making deposits at the bank I bet.

I wish somebody would tell him moles can be taken off.

[blackthroatedwind]

It was impossible to tell from the supposed head-on whether or not a foul actually occured.

The stewards made the right call. I don't understand why people here keep clamoring for more disqualifications.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't understand why people here keep clamoring for more disqualifications.

You're biased against disqualifications. This has been established repeatedly. Never the less, your distaste for take downs is once again noted.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It was impossible to tell from the supposed head-on whether or not a foul actually occured.

The stewards made the right call. I don't understand why people here keep clamoring for more disqualifications.

I have a different opinon, my problem with the non DQ yesterday stems from the lack of consistency with calls we have seen this summer, I've seen far less done at Delmar that resulted in a DQ for instance, as a horseplayer we are left scratching our heads? Still I thought the head on replay showed Country Star clearly veering into the path of Marie Rossa when she started to gain on her, to me this was blocking the path of another horse that wasn't beaten by much in the end anyway. For good measure she veered out again near the finish line, take these 2 incidents out and margin at the wire would have been alot closer than the 1/2 length difference. I understand keeping a horse up if they are clearly the best in the field but in this case. I think Marie Rossa deserved a better fate as she was running her race and all of the trouble was the result of Frankel's horse.

[reese]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It was impossible to tell from the supposed head-on whether or not a foul actually occured.

The stewards made the right call. I don't understand why people here keep clamoring for more disqualifications.

Standard issue when one loses...

[CSC]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The question is rarely whether they fouled, it's usually whether they think somebody else would have won if they didn't get fouled. My opinion is she wasn't gunna get beat. She had quite a bit left(Frankel's usually do....I know what Joey was trying to do, but Frankel is usually simply a bully in this particular type of spot.) That's why I can't wait for this guy to retire. Loves to bring in this comebacking fresh chalk. Not exactly entertaining stuff. He's never really understood that this is supposed to be entertainment, but that's just my opinion.

Are you absolutely 100% sure Frankel's horse wasn't going to lose? If so we were not watching the same race.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by CSC

Are you absolutely 100% sure Frankel's horse wasn't going to lose? If so we were not watching the same race.

It's a judgement. In other words, they make the change opposite of the way you've stated it. They make a change if they are convinced(you say 100% etc.) another horse would of won if he wasn't fouled. They weren't convinced these horses were gunna beat this horse. They make a change to correct an obvious injustice in a placing. It's not obvious to them that they were gunna get by this horse.

[Gander]

I thought Country Star had a perfect trip and was very lucky to win the race. She beat a pretty awful group by a very small amount and if she did get DQ'ed, it would have been pretty fair. To me it was one that could have gone either way. Like Scuds said, just a judgement call from the stewards as to whether or not it changes the outcome of the race. She was coming off a layoff from a poor outing so it may be fair to say her best race is next out. Frankel is good off layoffs, but he also is very good 2nd off too.

I dont think the Gazelle is a crazy spot for this horse as I see Music Note regressing huge next time out, off that very close loss to Proud Spell. I'd be all over Country Star in the Gazelle given the right price.

[hockey2315]

Country Star looked atrocious in the stretch. . .

[blackthroatedwind]

Country Star may or may not be that terrific a horse, but she's pretty good on the turf, and ran well yesterday. She is not a grinder, and being forced to sit three wide and close to a moderate pace, the way she did yesterday, is not only well against her preferred running style, it is an extremely difficult way to race and be successful. Those that think she did not run well yesterday are massively mistaken.

And to those that also think she was way overbet yesterday, I offer that in her only prior turf start, she not only finished second to Backseat Rhythm, who is one of the best ( if not the best ) 3YO turf fillies in the country, she was making her debut while Backseat Rhythm had the benefit of two prior starts. Ignoring these facts, while stating how dramatically overbet she was, makes no sense whatsoever. OK, maybe 4:5 was a tad low, but hardly THAT low. And, considering how she won, I'm not so sure there were a lot of scenerios where she wouldn't have gotten to the wire first. Probably not five out of ten.

[AeWingnut]

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2405696/7473934

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2405696/7473934

If the Breeders Cup is smart they will run the 2008 edition of this race on Ladies Day

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If the Breeders Cup is smart they will run the 2008 edition of this race on Ladies Day

well you did qualify it with. "if they were smart"

I say if they were smart they would do this at least once week

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If the Breeders Cup is smart they will run the 2008 edition of this race on Ladies Day

We know the Breeders Cup is not smart.......watch the lack of talent that shows up this year because of the poly factor and make your own decision. The dead rail bias for the bikini blast obviously gave the winner an edge....

[CSC]

Originally Posted by philcski

Thought the stewards absolutely made the wrong decision on today's 7th race. Country Star was weaving through the stretch like a drunken sailor, and caused interference with both the 2nd AND 3rd place finishers, yet they left her up. I hate to be cynical but it smells to me like they were 'playing favorites' with the connections, if it had not been Frankel/Stonerside I think they rightfully take her down.

I'm probably the wrong person to comment on this as I bet the 2nd place finisher to win, so thanks for bringing this up. You never want to sound like sour grapes after a loss but I thought if Marie Rossa got a straight trip the finish would have been a nose either way, she lost some momentum no doubt. Really a tough call for the stewards to make but it seems Frankel does get his share of calls in N.Y.