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[kentuckyrosesinmay]

McCarron was a great rider. It doesn't hurt that he rode two of my favorite horses though...Sunday Silence and Tiznow. The horses that he rode always seemed to be able to gut out the win in close races.

Hey why did you delete that fine post?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

McCarron was a great rider. It doesn't hurt that he rode two of my favorite horses though...Sunday Silence and Tiznow. The horses that he rode always seemed to be able to gut out the win in close races.

I take back what I said about you when I defended you at the time you were compared to PG1985.

The horses he rode always seemed to gut out the win in close races???

I can think of few weaker jocks in that department.

He was notorious in the 80s for waiting too long! Ferdinand beating Alysheba in the classic is a nice example off the top of my head.

[CSC]

First of all is Vic Stauffer the true Vic Stauffer here?
Secondly haven't we decided that jockies are overrated anyway?
Thirdly while Mccarron was hardly a slug of a Jockey, he did happen to give one of the worst rides in Preakness history on Touch Gold, though TG did stumble at the break, it was a nightmarish trip beyond belief or certainly of a jockey of Mccarron's stature.

Originally Posted by CSC

First of all is Vic Stauffer the true Vic Stauffer here?
Secondly haven't we decided that jockies are overrated anyway?
Thirdly while Mccarron was hardly a slug of a Jockey, he did happen to give one of the worst rides in Preakness history on Touch Gold, though TG did stumble at the break, it was a nightmarish trip beyond belief or certainly of a jockey of Mccarron's stature.

Now you've got me wondering.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Now you've got me wondering.

I was always a fan of the "straight and strong" signature. Every announcer has to have an unique thing that distinguishes themselves. That one works for me.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I pretty much hate all riders and I don't follow Cali racing as much as NY, so i don't know what he was like in the 80's. But, do you really think he waited too long in that Classic? I'll have to watch it again, but I thought I remember seeing him get into Alysheba pretty early, like before they even hit the turn.

yeah, perhaps 20 years has clouded my memory and i could stand to watch the race between ferd and sheba again.

however, there really were far too many times mccarron waited and waited and waited.

his ride on sheba in the belmont was very typical of his thinking. i'm not saying sheba would have beaten bet twice that day, but taking him that far back in a race where speed rules (despite the distance) was typical of his poor tactical thinking. sheba was a much faster horse than generally recognized (by fast i mean he had very nice tactical speed) and if he had been more forwardly placed, the race could easily have come out differently.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

if he had been more forwardly placed, the race could easily have come out differently.

Your memory is very clouded.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Your memory is very clouded.

Go do some more spaghetti!

My point being, as you know already, that had he been used more intelligently in the race, he'd have gotten second instead of fourth, and there is no doubt he'd have finished much closer to Bet Twice than he did.

[Indian Charlie]

mccarron, for about 10 years, had a knack for doing two things while riding a race.

one, he had a tendency to get himself outmaneuvered and trapped on the rail.

two, he was beyond awful, i'm talking pg1985 awful, on speed horses going a route of ground. he often would take a horse like precisionist or bertrando and take them out of their game by trying to throttle their speed way down.

the idea being that if he saved horse early, he'd have more horse later. this might work on some horses, but when a horses only weapon is their raw blazing speed (talking routes here), making them run slow early makes them waste energy and also enables their opponents to conserve energy for the later stages of the race as well.

i think i've seen sal try to explain this concept to people on here, but for whatever reason, this simple piece of racing fact is somewhat elusive for most people here.

i'll give mccarron some credit though, as later in his career, sometime around the mid 90's, he actually figured this out and started to ride MUCH better. not only was he riding speed better, but his in race tactics were much sounder.

that's one of the things that drive me crazy about most jocks. they dont seem to enter a race with a concept of how the race will unfold, and inevitably will become a victim of how the race develops.

the other thing about mccarron, he was a known ass kisser of epic proportions at socal tracks back in the 80's and 90's. probably in the 2000s as well.

i was talking to the office manager of one of the better known socal trainers (hall of fame trainer) back around the early 90s. beyond being the officer manager of this trainer, she was also related to him. anyways, when we were talking about horses and jocks and such, she told me that when this trainer learned that mccarron had suffered a major injury (i believe a broken leg!), this trainer jumped out of his chair and was actually ecstatic.

i don't remember the exact quote she gave, but to paraphrase, it went something like "yes! serves that as.s kissing SOB right!".

he could not stand mccarron, even though he used him pretty frequently on some great animals.

nitpick and flame away.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

he could not stand mccarron, even though he used him pretty frequently on some great animals.

nitpick and flame away.

That seems quite oxymoronic. If he was so bad and such a pain...how on earth and why on earth would people that couldn't stand him put him on great animals???

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

That seems quite oxymoronic. If he was so bad and such a pain...how on earth and why on earth would people that couldn't stand him put him on great animals???

Uh, you're kidding me, right?