O/U: how many times

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Eek... I wish we had some better choices.

but you're a conservative..beauty is in the eye of the beholder

i'm pretty happy with both..well..except Hilary is unelectable..slight problem

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Eek... I wish we had some better choices.

^^ ^ Stepped in DitzInMay's frog trap...gnawed off own foot.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Seriously. So since you won't be able to vote for Paul, will you vote for McCain?

Yes...

I cringed typing that, but yes, I'll vote for McCain if he's the GOP candidate.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by GBBob

There are predators circling everywhere so I hesitate to enter this dialogue.
but...

KRIM..Will you vote in the General Election?...I'm sure you have figured out by now that Paul has slighty less than zero chance to get elected, so will you support a Dem against your hated Darth McCain..

for what it's worth..I've never voted republican, but if McCain beats Oprah Pantsuit, I won't be crushed

Yes, I will vote. From the look of things, I will be voting for a Dem. I don't like any of the candidates who will be left standing come Nov, but I have to vote for the lesser of the evils. I am really hoping NC will go Dem.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You seemed to miss the question why then. It's like you are arguing that you think the Green Bay Packers would make the best Super Bowl team this year. Only problem is they aren't in the game, so you'd be wasting your time.

hey..wait a minute

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Good luck on Saturday. I would have rather seen the Packers than the Giants myself. But I had to tarnish the Packers good name to make my point.

valid point though

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You seemed to miss the question why then. It's like you are arguing that you think the Green Bay Packers would make the best Super Bowl team this year. Only problem is they aren't in the game, so you'd be wasting your time.

I do not feel like restating my reasons again. Go back, read through the posts, and then you will see for yourself the reasons for keeping this topic going. The main argument is foreign policy.

Why does it really matter who or what we are debating or for what reasons? Having conversations on some deep issues is what is important.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I do not feel like restating my reasons again. Go back, read through the posts, and then you will see for yourself the reasons for keeping this topic going. The main argument is foreign policy.

Why does it really matter who or what we are debating or for what reasons? Having conversations on some deep issues is what is important.

Unfortunately, one thing you'll learn as you get older is that while being principled is always important, compromise is as well. Ralph Nader and Ross Perot are polar examples of how being tied in to an unelectable candidate can hurt your big picture.

I only hope you throw your passion for Ron Paul towards someone running in November. That's why candidates dropping out endorse someone. Saying they both suck and I'm not voting doesn't work

I used to read Ron Paul's own Newsletters
because I had an aquaintance in Houston who thought
they were funny. He really thought they were funny
because he believed they were true. 1980' thru 1990's

I found this stuff on various sites. Its really neat because
almost everything you read about him is so positive on
the internet. No wonder he has made so much money.
He has used this information medium to the max. One
really has to dig. So if you care:

24 May 1996
San Antonio Express-News
English
(Copyright 1996)
A 1992 newsletter by Republican congressional candidate Ron Paul highlighted portrayals of blacks as criminally inclined and lacking sense about top political issues.
Reporting on gang crime in Los Angeles, Paul commented: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."
Paul, a Surfside obstetrician who won the GOP nomination in the 14th District runoff by defeating incumbent Rep. Greg Laughlin, said Wednesday he opposed racism.
He said his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time."
Copyright (c) 1996 National Journal Inc.
A 1992 political newsletter by former Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, included portrayals of African-Americans as inclined toward crime and lacking sense about political issues, the Houston Chronicle reported Thursday. Paul, a former Libertarian Party presidential candidate who defeated Democratic-turned-Republican Rep. Greg Laughlin in the March primary, in November will face Democratic attorney Charles (Lefty) Morris, whose campaign is distributing Paul's writings. Under the headline "Terrorist Update," Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and wrote, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." About blacks in Washington, D.C., Paul wrote, "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." Paul said Wednesday that his comments came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time," and that he opposes racism.
The Houston Chronicle story linked above contains quotes from a newsletter Mr. Paul put out in the 1980s and 1990s. It includes quotes referring to blacks as crime-prone and "fleet-footed."
Mr. Paul also wrote that "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.
The Houston Chronicle story linked above contains quotes from a newsletter Mr. Paul put out in the 1980s and 1990s. It includes quotes referring to blacks as crime-prone and "fleet-footed."
Mr. Paul also wrote that "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.
"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." - Ron Paul, 1992

"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such." - Ron Paul, 1992


Sorry I mistook pickpocket for fleet-footed blacks.
I knew it was something like that but I could not recall.
And my acquaintance hated Jews so this fit as well.
There is much more. Seek. Damn I wish I had kept
those xeroxed copies I would sent them to you Kentucky.
I am not kidding when I say I have been following this
guy for a long time. Because I could not believe someone
like this could be elected back when I was your age.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I do not feel like restating my reasons again. Go back, read through the posts, and then you will see for yourself the reasons for keeping this topic going. The main argument is foreign policy.

Why does it really matter who or what we are debating or for what reasons? Having conversations on some deep issues is what is important.

i hope you have a swim ring...

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I've read the thread. It took me half a roll of paper towels to clean the vomit off of my computer screen. I wasn't trying to be snotty, I was asking a serious question.

Sorry for interupting your "important" work. I'll go back to just reading whatever new thing you are brainwashed with this month. I can't wait.....

Well, you used to be snotty to most all of the time, and have no reason to be. You are not above anyone. Since when is an individual who can think for themselves brainwashed *******?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Since when is an individual who can think for themselves brainwashed *******.

Don't you think Ron Paul is thinking for you just a little?
It's not chicken or egg..It's KRIM or RP

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Above anyone? What are you talking about? All I asked was why would you spend so much time on a cause that is basically dead? Chill out.

i counted the *'s there hossy, i think she called you an *******.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You can find all of the other videos of this discussion made by the Japanese Parliament on youtube.

The world is in trouble when our college students are extensively quoting and using as a basis of fact youtube videos and Wikipedia. You do understand that Youtube and Wikipedia are not exactly credibile sources of information and are full of hidden agendas? I understand that you obviously are a typical university liberal who simply see what you want to see and is enamored into thinking that your intellect is so far superior to "mainstream" America that you have disdain for it. So Bin Laden's version is the "truth" and a Japanese politician who doesnt even understand puts and calls is credibile but our govt is corrupt? The reason that David Frost didnt respond to Bhutto's assertions that Bin Laden was murdered wasnt some vast western coverup but engaging her on it reduces her credibility and makes her look like a fool. Kind of like you.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The world is in trouble when our college students are extensively quoting and using as a basis of fact youtube videos and Wikipedia. You do understand that Youtube and Wikipedia are not exactly credibile sources of information and are full of hidden agendas? I understand that you obviously are a typical university liberal who simply see what you want to see and is enamored into thinking that your intellect is so far superior to "mainstream" America that you have disdain for it. So Bin Laden's version is the "truth" and a Japanese politician who doesnt even understand puts and calls is credibile but our govt is corrupt? The reason that David Frost didnt respond to Bhutto's assertions that Bin Laden was murdered wasnt some vast western coverup but engaging her on it reduces her credibility and makes her look like a fool. Kind of like you.

i was trying to get that point across...you did a better job than i did.

kyrim, i really think that for whatever reason (perhaps liberal teachings from liberal profs?) that you have latched onto one topic (a supposed potential war with iran) and have gone to every site to find any and all postings to bolster your argument. then you latch onto a kook as your savior in all things political, at the same time conceding he has zero chance to get in office, thus saving you from yourself. after all, there is no worry of repercussions from such a horrid choice.
this election is about far more than just one topic. the economy, the already existing wars (and mccain took a lot of heat for supporting the surge, and has been vindicated by its successes--and besides that, i somehow doubt that a man who was a POW for six years woul be in awful hurry to take us into a war on a third front) social security, recession, china, taxes, budgets, the overal bloated federal govt-due to states abrogating their responsibilities.
the 'war' test should not be the only reason to vote or not vote for someone, just like abortion shouldn't be the only reason. or youth.
you take the issues, you look at the candidates, and you pick the best overall choice.
or stick your head in the sand while chanting no war and vote for ron paul...lol ron paul, gimme a break.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The world is in trouble when our college students are extensively quoting and using as a basis of fact youtube videos and Wikipedia. You do understand that Youtube and Wikipedia are not exactly credibile sources of information and are full of hidden agendas? I understand that you obviously are a typical university liberal who simply see what you want to see and is enamored into thinking that your intellect is so far superior to "mainstream" America that you have disdain for it. So Bin Laden's version is the "truth" and a Japanese politician who doesnt even understand puts and calls is credibile but our govt is corrupt? The reason that David Frost didnt respond to Bhutto's assertions that Bin Laden was murdered wasnt some vast western coverup but engaging her on it reduces her credibility and makes her look like a fool. Kind of like you.

This has been going on in Universities for a long time even before the internet. I find it refreshing that they are starting to flap their wings and think critically. Its just when you are surrounded by the world of Academia, idealism is easy and practical solutions are very often mundane.

Older folks that have jobs in which they are held accountable tend to be more conservative and pragmatic. If C. Simon does not take care of his horses, get them into the right races, transport them safely, know when they are and are not ready to run... oh **** the hay is bad, on and on... C. Simon is held responsible. No blame game readily available. And then of course various outside influences (States, Tracks, Owners, etc...) intervene that have a skewed idea about C. Simon's business end (or dont really care) and start making new rules without foresight. One adjusts, tries to change the rules, or just quits. Its this way for a lot of us.

Academia is a much more comfortable world.
I remember it fondly. Unfortunately I got older
and am held accountable for things I cannot
even control in some cases. Tough luck.
But its fun navigating through problems
and its fun actually producing something.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This has been going on in Universities for a long time even before the internet. I find it refreshing that they are starting to flap their wings and think critically. Its just when you are surrounded by the world of Academia, idealism is easy and practical solutions are very often mundane.

Older folks that have jobs in which they are held accountable tend to be more conservative and pragmatic. If C. Simon does not take care of his horses, get them into the right races, transport them safely, know when they are and are not ready to run... oh **** the hay is bad, on and on... C. Simon is held responsible. No blame game readily available. And then of course various outside influences (States, Tracks, Owners, etc...) intervene that have a skewed idea about C. Simon's business end (or dont really care) and start making new rules without foresight. One adjusts, tries to change the rules, or just quits. Its this way for a lot of us.

Academia is a much more comfortable world.
I remember it fondly. Unfortunately I got older
and am held accountable for things I cannot
even control in some cases. Tough luck.
But its fun navigating through problems
and its fun actually producing something.

Everybodys a liberal when they are in college. Then they get out, make a few dollars and see the error of their ways. Personally I find it hard to believe that any sane person that makes a decent enough living that they dont qualify for any social programs would ever vote for someone that would raise your taxes. Abortion, the war, stem cells, religion, etc. and all the usual hot topics rarely effect the day to day lives of the typical american like a tax hike does.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Everybodys a liberal when they are in college. Then they get out, make a few dollars and see the error of their ways. Personally I find it hard to believe that any sane person that makes a decent enough living that they dont qualify for any social programs would ever vote for someone that would raise your taxes. Abortion, the war, stem cells, religion, etc. and all the usual hot topics rarely effect the day to day lives of the typical american like a tax hike does.

Not to mention socialized medicine.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Everybodys a liberal when they are in college. Then they get out, make a few dollars and see the error of their ways. Personally I find it hard to believe that any sane person that makes a decent enough living that they dont qualify for any social programs would ever vote for someone that would raise your taxes. Abortion, the war, stem cells, religion, etc. and all the usual hot topics rarely effect the day to day lives of the typical american like a tax hike does.

Yeah, but you left out the pesky items like totally runaway spending and the resultant deficit as well as generally lousy fiscal policy that's left the dollar in the gutter and resulted in seeing U.S. gain market share in just 5 of the 100+ major industries since 2000.

And the war (which a lessening minority of people support), does affect people. How can you say that it doesn't?

Everything I've seen about Dem proposed tax hikes is limited to the top 1%/ famlies with inomes > $200,000. Are those people really typical?

And the meaningless "hot topics" are the standard fodder of all primary campaigns. Dem primaries feature the candidates going back and forth between the left and near left. GOP primaries are the same on the other end of the spectrum.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Yeah, but you left out the pesky items like totally runaway spending and the resultant deficit as well as generally lousy fiscal policy that's left the dollar in the gutter and resulted in seeing U.S. gain market share in just 5 of the 100+ major industries since 2000.

And the war (which a lessening minority of people support), does affect people. How can you say that it doesn't?

Everything I've seen about Dem proposed tax hikes is limited to the top 1%/ famlies with inomes > $200,000. Are those people really typical?

And the meaningless "hot topics" are the standard fodder of all primary campaigns. Dem primaries feature the candidates going back and forth between the left and near left. GOP primaries are the same on the other end of the spectrum.

So if taxes were raised, all the financial issues would be solved? Wouldn't runaway spending be more apt to continue with more money in the govts hands?

And the war does not effect the vast majority of people on a day to day basis. How can you say it does?

Why should our most successful people be penalized for being sucessful? That's not equality, it is class envy. And families that make over $200000 in many urban area are far from wealthy or rich and surely dont need to pay more taxes than anyone else.

And I realize why the topics are "hot" but that doesnt make them any more pertinent to everyday life. Taking more money away is.