Gulfstream Screws the Bettors

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yes they ARE screwing people. Anybody that bet the late Pick-3, Pick-4 or Pick-6 was " screwed " as the race that ended up being run as the 9th race was quite simply NOT the race that was run. I never said they made a conscious decision to screw the bettors, as that would be absurd, and only someone desperately trying to infer something would suggest I did, however the result of their decision was that some bettors got screwed.

I spoke to the second in charge of maintenance at Gulfstream and his decision was not based whatsoever with the bettors' interests in mind. While certainly there are other factors, at the very least we are part of the equation. Since this gentleman also told me they thought about taking the 7th off but as there were only nine minutes til post they left it on, they surely could have, and should have, made their decision in regards to the 9th at that time, as least some late Pick-3 bettors could have been protected. it is 100% clear that the best interests of the bettors were disregarded, and while that may be a risk of the game, it does not change what happened. Considering their questionable removal of turf races in the past, where races were run the next day on turf labeled FIRM, all their decisions in this matter are dubious at best.

I'm not desperately trying to connote you're infering anything. Please, get past that for your sake. I could care less about trying to pretend that I am reading your mind and could shoot back and reply that anyone who is trying to infer that I am trying to connote they are inferring,... Frankly I don't care that much.

Notwithstanding what the second in charge of rakes and mowers said, it WAS raining and it WAS possible that the the 9th could come off. To borrow your word, it could be said that only desperate gamblers would not have thought about passing the 3 there.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I'm not desperately trying to connote you're infering anything. Please, get past that for your sake. I could care less about trying to pretend that I am reading your mind and could shoot back and reply that anyone who is trying to infer that I am trying to connote they are inferring,... Frankly I don't care that much.

Notwithstanding what the second in charge of rakes and mowers said, it WAS raining and it WAS possible that the the 9th could come off. To borrow your word, it could be said that only desperate gamblers would not have thought about passing the 3 there.

I have issues....it should be obvious.

I hear what you are saying, and you certainly are far from totally wrong, but the incident is part of a pattern and racetracks have to consider our needs more than they do.

Rakes AND mowers? You're asking a lot.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I'm not desperately trying to connote you're infering anything. Please, get past that for your sake. I could care less about trying to pretend that I am reading your mind and could shoot back and reply that anyone who is trying to infer that I am trying to connote they are inferring,... Frankly I don't care that much.

Notwithstanding what the second in charge of rakes and mowers said, it WAS raining and it WAS possible that the the 9th could come off. To borrow your word, it could be said that only desperate gamblers would not have thought about passing the 3 there.

I truly did think about passing the p3 for the last 3 races. I didnot have much time invested as i wasn't really playing today. Then I figured, hey its raining in the 7th race post parade, but they didnot announce that either the 7th or 9th races would be taken off the turf, so I will play it as it lays. The time to cancel the 9th turf race was during the 7th race post parade downpour and they didn't do it. That was their mistake. SCUDS had it right in calling for an" all payout" for the last race of the p3 in consolations for live tickets. I would have lost money on the deal, as i collected 1 conso and the p3, but it would have been the fair thing to do.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

They're not screwing anybody.

Anyone think a bunch of Magna guys saw it start to rain (and hard for a while AFTER the 7th) went into a conference room and decided to use the weather as an excuse to screw the bettors?

So the race came off after p-4 and p-6 wagers were made.

That's the way it goes sometimes.

You makes your bets and you takes your chances.

Well spoken. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Congrats to you for not being a jaded horseplayer constantly looking to blame someone for a routine surface change to ensure the safety of the horses and the integrity of the racing surface for another day.

I have yet to see horseplayer who hits a PK3 after a late surface change give credit to the track for taking a race off the turf, but surely somebody hit the PK3 even with the surface change. Where is THAT thread?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Well spoken. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Congrats to you for not being a jaded horseplayer constantly looking to blame someone for a routine surface change to ensure the safety of the horses and the integrity of the racing surface for another day.

I have yet to see horseplayer who hits a PK3 after a late surface change give credit to the track for taking a race off the turf, but surely somebody hit the PK3 even with the surface change. Where is THAT thread?

I actually made a lot of money in the 9th race today but since it was completely irrelevant to the topic I felt no reason to bring it up.

I'm not sure what a " routine surface change " is but I don't think today's events were routine. But, I handicap grass and dirt racing differently, so I think this was an important distinction.

By they way, racing on turf with give is not unsafe. Did you know they heavily water the courses in Europe to make them soft?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I actually made a lot of money in the 9th race today but since it was completely irrelevant to the topic I felt no reason to bring it up.

I'm not sure what a " routine surface change " is but I don't think today's events were routine. But, I handicap grass and dirt racing differently, so I think this was an important distinction.

By they way, racing on turf with give is not unsafe. Did you know they heavily water the courses in Europe to make them soft?

Maybe you haven't seen enough races, but when it rains at a racetrack, they 'routinely' take the races off the turf and run them on the dirt. This event at Gulfstream was not the first time it has ever happened. It happens quite often actually, and if you don't like the wagering rules regarding a surface change in a Pk3, then DON'T PLAY THE PK3.

Oh yeah, they also water the turf courses in America. That green stuff they call the 'turf' is actually grass and it requires water to grow.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Well spoken. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Congrats to you for not being a jaded horseplayer constantly looking to blame someone for a routine surface change to ensure the safety of the horses and the integrity of the racing surface for another day.

I have yet to see horseplayer who hits a PK3 after a late surface change give credit to the track for taking a race off the turf, but surely somebody hit the PK3 even with the surface change. Where is THAT thread?

Actually, I am very jaded. Ever since FOX rejected the pilot episode for my new series, "America's Top Over 40 Fat Nude Male Model" series (produced by, directed by AND starring me), I haven't been the same.