Tiago and Giacomo > Zenyatta

[Thunder Gulch]

Apparently this is the case. If not, why did Moss/Sheriffs run them in better races??? Seriously, if she is an "all time great" in their mind, why don't they give her the same OPPORTUNITY to win important races vs quality fields. That's the key distinction as most any owner/trainer on the west coast would love to win the Big Cap among others, but this "all timer" doesn't fit. We aren't even talking about the impossible task of crossing the Rockies twice in a season. Stay home and face the best. There's not even a Lava Man type out west to really be afraid of.

Another question....if she was 16-1-0, would she have been involved in that shameful field yesterday? I really don't know if what answer I would want to hear if that is answered honestly. If the answer is truly yes, then they show their colors and admit finding the softest spots available. If it's no, that's even worse.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I'll take Giacomo and the points any day - and I didn't even see his Haskell win that Michelle Yu claimed he had.

[Merlinsky]

I never thought I could be so disgusted with a win streak. If she'd lost a couple, I bet we don't get the same campaign we've gotten this year. I think we're dealing with a combination of the win streak, shipping Zenyatta, and shipping John Shirreffs along with her. California must be nice if you can't pry people or horses away from it with a crowbar.