Which top 4 is a bigger laughingstock?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Last years BC Juv Fillies:
Stardom Bound
Dream Empress
Sky Diva
Dave's Regenge

OR

Last years BC Juv:
Midshipman
Square Eddie
Street Hero
Terrain


Stardom Bound is the only one of those 8 who has since won ... but she got a monumental positive trainer change going from Paasch to Frankel/Dutrow. And she also ran very slow everytime.

Dream Empress has been utterly humiliated in her 3 races since .. her best Beyer only a 74 in those 3 races as she has staggered home badly beaten.

Sky Diva was 3rd beaten 9.5 lengths at 1/5 odds next time out and hasn't run since.

Dave's Revenge was 4th beaten just 3 lengths while making only her 2nd lifetime start in the Breeders Cup. A race so promising that her connections have refused to run her for the $25,000 N2L claiming tag she belongs in. She's been off the board in 7 straight races since the Breeders Cup - never once running a Beyer higher than 71. She's been in the low 60's lately.

OK, so you have a horse who won a championship for the brutal Paasch - and became slow as hell for Frankel/Dutrow. And the other three horses are a combined 0-for-11 with a top Beyer of 74 since the Breeders Cup.

And as for the Juvie...

Midshipman is toast.

Square Eddie was beaten at 3/5 in San Raffy - and 7/5 in the Lexington - he's now toast.

Street Hero is toast.

Terrain returned to run 5th by 12 lengths at Delta Downs next out - he never threatened in 5 in a row since the Breeders Cup and now he's dead.

OK, so, you have toast, toast, toast, and a dead horse.


Before anyone gets too down on the Juvenile though - the sensational Munnings did manage to beat a whopping two horses in the race! - one of them was an eventual Kentucky Derby winner who finished dead last

Ah well, at least they can never take the great memories of those two stupid Euro horses beating Tiag-Slow in the Classic from us.

[brianwspencer]

Oh god, hands down the Fillies.

[10 pnt move up]

"And she also ran very slow everytime"

Why do you keep talking about figures of synthetic horses like it means something?

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Stardom Bound is the only one of those 8 who has since won ... but she got a monumental positive trainer change going from Paasch to Frankel/Dutrow. And she also ran very slow everytime.\

Paasch ain't bad

[declansharbor]

Dream Empress wraps that one up for the fillies.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

"And she also ran very slow everytime"

Why do you keep talking about figures of synthetic horses like it means something?

Who said anything about figures?

I don't care if she got a 125 Beyer and a negative -7 on the sheets while she was getting drowned by Hooh Why in the Ashland... she was running slow.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Paasch ain't bad

He's basically a 12% guy who gets some pretty darn nice stock from the sales...albeit not in high volume.

He's also a very likely future trainer of a DT Stables horse ... as he's portly and stuff.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Who said anything about figures?

I don't care if she got a 125 Beyer and a negative -7 on the sheets while she was getting drowned by Hooh Why in the Ashland... she was running slow.

Hooh Why was sitting on a monster trip after her effort in the SA Oaks, where she held very well against the flow. Outside of Gozzip Girl and SB, HW 'wiped out' the field in the Ashland. It's evident that the setup that day favored speed -- though HY did run well in WO subsequently. You've seen the replay, I'm sure you noted that GG, who's not bad at all, had dead aim at HY in the stretch and is supposed to blow by. Instead, she hung like a rat -- which she's not. So, what's your point about SB in the Ashland?

"SLOW" is from the old paradigm.

POLY requires a conceptual shift and a new vocabulary.

P.S. AD HOC methodology changes do not quite equal a conceptual shift.

Oh, and those not playing POLY on a regular basis really shouldn't be commenting on it, on a regular basis.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Who said anything about figures?

I don't care if she got a 125 Beyer and a negative -7 on the sheets while she was getting drowned by Hooh Why in the Ashland... she was running slow.

So I am to believe you did not look at any figures from SB's two grade 1 wins in making the statement, come on.

You just seem to rely heavily on figures (Beyers I assume) for synthetic horses when in reality they are as valuable as turf figures.

Your post is correct, these horses have bombed entirely other then SB's who won a couple grade 1's and placed in another.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Let me take a stab at your post before I actually read it....

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

mumble, mumble, mumble .... babble, babble, babble, blah, blah ... TRAKUS, POLY, WIPE OUT, Prado

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Let me take a stab at your post before I actually read it....

What you really need to do is get your ass over to the HOL thread on Friday nights and show us what you have. Many would benefit from your take on POLY racing.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

You just seem to rely heavily on figures (Beyers I assume) for synthetic horses when in reality they are as valuable as turf figures.

Ah, no ... no I don't.

And I just think this bit here with you acting like I'm lost on handicapping a synthetic track is really just a clever trick on your part to get me to remind everyone how my public selections have done at PID on it's synthetic the last two years.

Sorry, I wasn't born yesterday. I won't do it. I'm not going to toot my own horn and spout off on my dazzling sustained profitability like some kind of self promoting back patter would do. Won't happen.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What you really need to do is get your ass over to the HOL thread on Friday nights and show us what you have. Many would benefit from your take on POLY racing.

I don't play Hollywood Park.

I'd rather play the Pleasenton fair .... opening day is tomorrow by the way!

[Indian Charlie]

My top 4 would be:

Morty
PG1985
TenMostWanted1
JCS######

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's basically a 12% guy who gets some pretty darn nice stock from the sales...albeit not in high volume.

He's also a very likely future trainer of a DT Stables horse ... as he's portly and stuff.

STATISTICS BE DAMNED (although if i looked it up, and he happened to have a nice ROI, I would probably sing a different tune).

Paasch has his moments. He seems like a real good horseman and from a distance, doesn't seem to be missing out on the "stuff" other guys are doing.

Going to Frankel was actually a step down. Before everyone is up in arms, the key here is context and the fact that SB had a good thing going with Paasch. Similar to calling Rachel's a positive trainer change, except Paasch is more potent than Werner from my limited knowledge of Werner.
Going to Dutrow always brings the chance of improving, so no debate there.

Not trying to nitpick or be contrarian like some when they see a DrugS post lately. Just happen to think highly of Paasch.

[Bobby Fischer]

it should be noted that this Keeneland meet was speed BIASED(favoring forward position), especially compared to the typical way Keeneland has played since going poly.

the track was pretty quirky. I only mention this to avoid the misconception that Synthetic is bias-free(as insinuated heare and other threads), not to claim Stardom Bound had any sort of excuse, as i waited what seemed like ages for the ashland once the ill advised decision to run SB on poly was announced.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Hooh Why was sitting on a monster trip after her effort in the SA Oaks, where she held very well against the flow. Outside of Gozzip Girl and SB, HW 'wiped out' the field in the Ashland. It's evident that the setup that day favored speed -- though HY did run well in WO subsequently. You've seen the replay, I'm sure you noted that GG, who's not bad at all, had dead aim at HY in the stretch and is supposed to blow by. Instead, she hung like a rat -- which she's not. So, what's your point about SB in the Ashland?

"SLOW" is from the old paradigm.

POLY requires a conceptual shift and a new vocabulary.

P.S. AD HOC methodology changes do not quite equal a conceptual shift.

Oh, and those not playing POLY on a regular basis really shouldn't be commenting on it, on a regular basis.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Before anyone gets too down on the Juvenile though - the sensational Munnings did manage to beat a whopping two horses in the race! - one of them was an eventual Kentucky Derby winner who finished dead last

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Similar to calling Rachel's a positive trainer change, except Paasch is more potent than Werner from my limited knowledge of Werner.

Wiggins. Not Werner.

[CSC]

A Trainer upgrade of going from worser to worse and the horse still managing to win a grade 1 would be who?

Clue - Female Trainer to Old Fart.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Laura De Soreux to Lukas?