Curlin Retired.. Now Appears Lane's End bound..

[smuthg]

just got this email... from Thoroughbred Daily News.

Curlin's Racing Career Concludes
Posted: 10:01 PM ET

Reigning Horse of the Year Curlin (Smart Strike--Sherriff's Deputy, by Deputy Minister) will not race in 2009, according to a report in Sunday's New York Times. Stonestreet Stable's Jess Jackson told the Times he was open to the idea of running Curlin again this year, but said that there weren't any races left in North America rich enough to attract his horse. He also ruled out a start in the Japan Cup Dirt Dec. 7 because of problems with quarantine regulations. Jackson told the newspaper that he felt the big chestnut had little left to prove on the racetrack. "I've been blessed to have him and to have seen him run over 20 some odd months," Jackson said. "I have such warm memories of him. I just don't see how it could get any better." Stud plans for next year have not been finalized, although one option is for the G1 Dubai World Cup hero to stand at Jackson's Stonestreet Farms in Lexington, Kentucky. Jackson told the Times that several major breeding farms in Kentucky have been in touch with him to express their interest in acquiring Curlin as a stallion. "I'm going to breed 20 or so of my very best mares to him, no matter where he stands," Jackson said. "And we have some beauties. I really am eager to see his colts and fillies race and see what he produces."

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by smuthg

just got this email... from Thoroughbred Daily News.

Curlin's Racing Career Concludes
Posted: 10:01 PM ET

Reigning Horse of the Year Curlin (Smart Strike--Sherriff's Deputy, by Deputy Minister) will not race in 2009, according to a report in Sunday's New York Times. Stonestreet Stable's Jess Jackson told the Times he was open to the idea of running Curlin again this year, but said that there weren't any races left in North America rich enough to attract his horse. He also ruled out a start in the Japan Cup Dirt Dec. 7 because of problems with quarantine regulations. Jackson told the newspaper that he felt the big chestnut had little left to prove on the racetrack. "I've been blessed to have him and to have seen him run over 20 some odd months," Jackson said. "I have such warm memories of him. I just don't see how it could get any better." Stud plans for next year have not been finalized, although one option is for the G1 Dubai World Cup hero to stand at Jackson's Stonestreet Farms in Lexington, Kentucky. Jackson told the Times that several major breeding farms in Kentucky have been in touch with him to express their interest in acquiring Curlin as a stallion. "I'm going to breed 20 or so of my very best mares to him, no matter where he stands," Jackson said. "And we have some beauties. I really am eager to see his colts and fillies race and see what he produces."

No cynisism here towards Curlin the horse

[Danzig]

i know i'm shocked.

seriously tho, hope everyone enjoyed the show, as we know it's too seldom seen-and i doubt that'll be changing any time soon.

[smuthg]

Curlin at Monmouth last year for the Breeders' Cup was the most impressive physical specimen I've ever seen. I wish him nothing but the best.

[asudevil]

Great career....Kudos to Jackson for keeping him on the track.

[Thunder Gulch]

We've landed on the moon!!!!!!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by smuthg

Curlin at Monmouth last year for the Breeders' Cup was the most impressive physical specimen I've ever seen. I wish him nothing but the best.

Yeah the best chemical reproduction of a horse I have ever seen too.. Looked like Super star Billy Graham without the head band

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yeah the best chemical reproduction of a horse I have ever seen too.. Looked like Super star Billy Graham without the head band

Lol ... very true

Supercurlie was quite a physical specimen indeed.

Fortunately, though, they had some kryptonite (i.e. mandatory 'roid testing) at this year's BC and we just saw curlie ... not Supercurlie.




Hard to believe DaHoss9698 isn't in here defending the Winstrol Wonder, by the way...

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yeah the best chemical reproduction of a horse I have ever seen too.. Looked like Super star Billy Graham without the head band

LOL, someone should have updated Albarado about the BC policy change on chemicals this year .

[blackthroatedwind]

He said Curlin is one of the ten best horses of the last 108 years? That's funny. I could name 20 in the last 15 years that would have kicked his overrated butt. Please remind me of all his spectacular efforts in 2008.

[richard burch]

i will miss the big guy.

as long as they are happy and healthy when they retire, i'm happy.

[Smooth Operator]

Nuthin special when he wasn't getting his regular fix of Winny

Still laughing about those two young Euros blowing by him in the lane last month

Fitting way to (hopefully) end the overrated beast's racing career, in my opinion

[King Glorious]

Is anyone on here old enough to remember when an owner wasn't given extra praise for keeping a 3yo on the track for his 4yo year because it was just the way things were done? I actually saw a post on another forum with someone saying that IEAH deserves credit for deciding to bring Stardom Bound back next year. Amazing.

[Kasept]

Jess Jackson never disappoints in his grandiose lunacy of the importance of this horse.. There are rumors he is not well physically, so I guess there may be excuses, but how about these gems?

"To race merely on dirt for inadequate compensation and to deny his genes to the gene pool of thoroughbreds, that’s not something I wanted to do.”

Inadequate compensation? This guy is too funny. He said he would have raced him in International turf events where they race for the real money, but since Curlin wasn't good enough for that he'll retire him. Huh? And gee Jess, we're sorry that the series of $500,000-$1,000,000 Gr. I races on dirt in the U.S. aren't adequate compensation for your steroid-pumped gene pool specimen that missed his entire juvenile year with physical issues...

“He’s had a stellar racing career,” Jackson said. “I think he’s one of the top 10 horses since 1900. How he rates versus others, it’s not merely about statistics.”

This is so comical as to be barely worthy of a discussion. Curlin doesn't break the Top 50 since 1900.. let alone the Top 10. If you use the very credible Blood-Horse Thoroughbred Champions Top 100 of the 20th century as a guide, (which doesn't even include horses since 2000), Holy Bull is #64. Would you put Curlin ahead of Holy Bull? Exactly.. So call him #65 at best.

Curlin was a very nice horse who had a very good career and it was swell to have him around as a 4yo. One plus of his retirement is it will mean that much less of Jackson to have to endure.

[sumitas]

So true . It would be wonderful if Jackson kept Curlin at 20 mares . But you know how these factory farms are . 200 + is no problem for them .

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by sumitas

So true . It would be wonderful if Jackson kept Curlin at 20 mares . But you know how these factory farms are . 200 + is no problem for them .

since you mentioned it...this is an excerpt from a bloodhorse article:


The number of stallions bred to 100 or more mares increased from 108 last year to 117 in 2004. First-year stallion Hold That Tiger led all stallions with 199 mares bred, six more than Fusaichi Pegasus. Hold That Tiger, a grade I-winning son of Storm Cat--Beware of the Cat, by Caveat stands at Ashford Stud near Versailles, Ky. A half-brother to Belmont (gr. I) winner Editor's Note, Hold That Tigers's 2004 stud fee was $15,000. Fusaichi Pegasus also stands at Ashford.

In fact, the top five stallions by mares bred all stand at Ashford. Grand Slam (191 mares covered), Van Nistelrooy (186), and Tale of the Cat (185) round out the top five.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Jess Jackson never disappoints in his grandiose lunacy of the importance of this horse.. There are rumors he is not well physically, so I guess there may be excuses, but how about these gems?

"To race merely on dirt for inadequate compensation and to deny his genes to the gene pool of thoroughbreds, that’s not something I wanted to do.”

Inadequate compensation? This guy is too funny. He said he would have raced him in International turf events where they race for the real money, but since Curlin wasn't good enough for that he'll retire him. Huh? And gee Jess, we're sorry that the series of $500,000-$1,000,000 Gr. I races on dirt in the U.S. aren't adequate compensation for your steroid-pumped gene pool specimen that missed his entire juvenile year with physical issues...

“He’s had a stellar racing career,” Jackson said. “I think he’s one of the top 10 horses since 1900. How he rates versus others, it’s not merely about statistics.”

This is so comical as to be barely worthy of a discussion. Curlin doesn't break the Top 50 since 1900.. let alone the Top 10. If you use the very credible Blood-Horse Thoroughbred Champions Top 100 of the 20th century as a guide, (which doesn't even include horses since 2000), Holy Bull is #64. Would you put Curlin ahead of Holy Bull? Exactly.. So call him #65 at best.

Curlin was a very nice horse who had a very good career and it was swell to have him around as a 4yo. One plus of his retirement is it will mean that much less of Jackson to have to endure.

nice post, all valid points. and his genes are in the gene pool already...now, if we could get more crooks to buy more horses and get thrown in jail, we could have more starters at four.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Jess Jackson never disappoints in his grandiose lunacy of the importance of this horse.. There are rumors he is not well physically, so I guess there may be excuses, but how about these gems?

"To race merely on dirt for inadequate compensation and to deny his genes to the gene pool of thoroughbreds, that’s not something I wanted to do.”

Inadequate compensation? This guy is too funny. He said he would have raced him in International turf events where they race for the real money, but since Curlin wasn't good enough for that he'll retire him. Huh? And gee Jess, we're sorry that the series of $500,000-$1,000,000 Gr. I races on dirt in the U.S. aren't adequate compensation for your steroid-pumped gene pool specimen that missed his entire juvenile year with physical issues...

“He’s had a stellar racing career,” Jackson said. “I think he’s one of the top 10 horses since 1900. How he rates versus others, it’s not merely about statistics.”

This is so comical as to be barely worthy of a discussion. Curlin doesn't break the Top 50 since 1900.. let alone the Top 10. If you use the very credible Blood-Horse Thoroughbred Champions Top 100 of the 20th century as a guide, (which doesn't even include horses since 2000), Holy Bull is #64. Would you put Curlin ahead of Holy Bull? Exactly.. So call him #65 at best.

Curlin was a very nice horse who had a very good career and it was swell to have him around as a 4yo. One plus of his retirement is it will mean that much less of Jackson to have to endure.

It's a marketing ploy for higher stud fees from a guy who made his fortune selling sh!tty wine in a box. Would you expect any less?

#65? More like #165.

[Danzig]

does anyone really think curlin will turn out well as a sire? i don't see him being an ap indy or mr p. or even close.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Danzig

does anyone really think curlin will turn out well as a sire? i don't see him being an ap indy or mr p. or even close.

Honestly, the majority of stallions, even champion level runners, don't turn out to be A.P. Indy or Mr. P (who was, by the way, not a champion on the track-he wasn't even a graded SW). He may be, like Point Given and Turkoman and Black Tie Affair and Affirmed, too much of a stayer to sire the kind of runner that the market wants today - hot 2yo, miler who can stretch to 9f at 3; retire to stud and make more of the same.