HUGE Cavs trade

[Mortimer]

But ah ain't sayin who.

Hughes, Gooden to da bulls for Ben Wallace and Nerdziac.

Horrible trade.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Hughes, Gooden to da bulls for Ben Wallace and Nerdziac.

Horrible trade.

The Bulls actually found someone to take Wallace?

Originally Posted by GBBob

The Bulls actually found someone to take Wallace?

Yeah. They should have a parade for pulling that off.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah. They should have a parade for pulling that off.

they didn't need anyone in return

[whodey17]

This is a great trade for the Cavs. They get some toughness on the inside with the addition of Wallace and a above average 3 point shooter with Wally. Now they have Gibson and Wally on the perimeter. This leaves James with a wide open lane. Iggy will still get his and Wallace gives them a rebounding and defensive force. They dont loose much in Hughes--12.3 and 3.6 per game and Gooden 11.3 and 8.3. This puts the Cavs right up there behind the Celtics and Pistons. Good good good trade for the Cavs.

[Mortimer]

Fools.


The overall flavor will be devastating to this pop stand Eastern Conf.

[whodey17]

Well we arent compaing the Eastern Conference to the Western Conference. Most people know the Western Conference is head and shoulders above the East. I believe that Phoenix is 21-2 against the Eastern Conference this year. The big stat is the Lakers are 20-8 against the West and 17-9 against the East.

[Cannon Shell]

The trade on paper makes the Cavs a better team. Getting rid of Hughes was huge as he is not a shooter but a scorer who needs the ball in his hands a lot. Obviously that cant happen with Cleveland. Replacing him with Wally and West is a positiive as they are both better shooters than Hughes and West is probably better at running the point though he is hardly Jason Kidd. I think a team with Ben Wallace, Ilgaugas, Varejo and Joe Smith is an improvement on what they had especially as Smith and Gooden are close to interchangable and Smith is a more versitile offensive player. Smith and Wallace combined are much better than Gooden. Wally is far from a great player but is a good compliment to LeBron who will take pressure of him which is what he needs. he can hit open jumpers, he just needs someone to get him open. Losing Marshall is not a factor and the other guys were just bench players. They still may not be good enough to Beat Boston but they are a better team.

The Bulls are like a rudderless ship. This deal makes no sense. I understand getting rid of Wallace's contract but they brought back close to the same contract with a player (Hughes) that they already have a better version of (Gordon) who has an expiring contract. Gooden for Smith is not an improvement. They didnt dump salary or get picks or get players that fit their team.


Seattle dumped a big contract

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Bulls are like a rudderless ship. This deal makes no sense. I understand getting rid of Wallace's contract but they brought back close to the same contract with a player (Hughes) that they already have a better version of (Gordon) who has an expiring contract. Gooden for Smith is not an improvement. They didnt dump salary or get picks or get players that fit their team.

I just get back from class and I hear about this trade. They should fire Paxson now. Larry Hughes is Ben Gordon but a couple years older.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The trade on paper makes the Cavs a better team. Getting rid of Hughes was huge as he is not a shooter but a scorer who needs the ball in his hands a lot. Obviously that cant happen with Cleveland. Replacing him with Wally and West is a positiive as they are both better shooters than Hughes and West is probably better at running the point though he is hardly Jason Kidd. I think a team with Ben Wallace, Ilgaugas, Varejo and Joe Smith is an improvement on what they had especially as Smith and Gooden are close to interchangable and Smith is a more versitile offensive player. Smith and Wallace combined are much better than Gooden. Wally is far from a great player but is a good compliment to LeBron who will take pressure of him which is what he needs. he can hit open jumpers, he just needs someone to get him open. Losing Marshall is not a factor and the other guys were just bench players. They still may not be good enough to Beat Boston but they are a better team.

The Bulls are like a rudderless ship. This deal makes no sense. I understand getting rid of Wallace's contract but they brought back close to the same contract with a player (Hughes) that they already have a better version of (Gordon) who has an expiring contract. Gooden for Smith is not an improvement. They didnt dump salary or get picks or get players that fit their team.


Seattle dumped a big contract

I agree 100%, the Cavs are better with this trade...still appear behind Boston and Detroit but this gives them a chance come playoff time...if Wallace decides he wants to play again (and is healthy), they could surprise...until they meet the Celtics.

[The Bid]

Cavs may not lose for the rest of the year.

[horseofcourse]

I wish Mortimer still posted so he could clear me up on this. As a Cav fan I dont' like the trade. I always considered their supporting cast "average" as Mortimer remembers which in my mind is an actual compliment...that's pretty much all they needed supporting LeBron. What was their strength of their Eastern Conference championship year was defense...and Hughes was actually by far their best perimeter defender. Despite his lack of shooting ability, since Jan 1st he was shooting over 40 percent and scoring over 15 a game. He was indeed their second scoring option since the start of 2008 year. with gibson now out 6 weeks (they are very adept at spraining ankles this year!!), I am guessing WEst picks up most of those minutes with both Gibson and Hughes gone. Hughes was a 38 percent shooter, West is a 39 percent shooter this year. West is not a good player or he would have played more for an abomination of a Seattle team.

Wallace is an old and declining player. I dont' see where he helps the team any more than Gooden...the defense and rebounding he provides the team already had with Varejao (who hasn't been playing because of his sprined ankle.)...when Varejao comes back he is pretty much Wallace but with a better offensive game (as hard as that is for me to say for Anderson having a better O game than anyone.) and plays the same defnese without blocking the shots Ben does. Ben is a null set offensively.

Sczerbiak couldn't guard me one on one. He shoots outside shots well, but he can't defend which is suposedly the staple of the team.

I think their perimeter defense is worse now by quite a bit. They perhaps improved their post defense a little bit. They were already a good rebounding team..though Wallace improves that, I don't see how much more they can really improve...it wasn't a weakness to begin with.

The main goal of trading Hughes was to get rid of his contract...not pick up one that is much worse...Ben Wallace. I hope I'm wrong....but I'm not seeing how this trade really helps them that much. I need Mortimer to explain it to me...not that Every Bartman guy.

[Mortimer]

Well there he goes again....isolating on the few good streaks Hughes had here. Hughes was typically 3 for 12.....with not much else. Unbelievable---one time he is a part of a lousy supporting cast,but now that he's traded he's a guy we couldn't afford to lose.

One thing this team has lacked fer DEM SHOO is toughness....meaness....dirty ,filthy, savage play. Wallace will give them that and should be revived going to a good team. Smith is far from a slouch and isn't exactly 47.Wally gives them that outside shooter they so desperately need now with Gibson down.

I was only sorry to see Gooden and Newble go,but this is a trade for now.I think they doubted their chances of getting back to the finals with all the injuries.They still need the pg,but I think they did improve the team for the playoffs this year....definitely the big man play gets even better and they're not hurt in the backcourt with this.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Well there he goes again....isolating on the few good streaks Hughes had here. Hughes was typically 3 for 12.....with not much else. Unbelievable---one time he is a part of a lousy supporting cast,but now that he's traded he's a guy we couldn't afford to lose.

One thing this team has lacked fer DEM SHOO is toughness....meaness....dirty ,filthy, savage play. Wallace will give them that and should be revived going to a good team. Smith is far from a slouch and isn't exactly 47.Wally gives them that outside shooter they so desperately need now with Gibson down.

I was only sorry to see Gooden and Newble go,but this is a trade for now.I think they doubted their chances of getting back to the finals with all the injuries.They still need the pg,but I think they did improve the team for the playoffs this year....definitely the big man play gets even better and they're not hurt in the backcourt with this.

thanks...you're almost as good as Mortimer. Not quite however. Hughes was not a star, but did some things well. I do think they're hurt a bit in the backcourt however. I've just never been a big Wallace fan, don't know if it's cause he played for Detroit and Chicago or not. On the bright side, I am usually wrong as Mortimer would attest so perhaps my opinions on this are a good sign for the team. (ps..."lousy' and "average" are not interchangeable!)

[Mortimer]

You'll get there .











Someday.











I don't know how.
































Oh give it time.



























And PAH-LENTY of it.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by whodey17

This is a great trade for the Cavs. They get some toughness on the inside with the addition of Wallace and a above average 3 point shooter with Wally. Now they have Gibson and Wally on the perimeter. This leaves James with a wide open lane. Iggy will still get his and Wallace gives them a rebounding and defensive force. They dont loose much in Hughes--12.3 and 3.6 per game and Gooden 11.3 and 8.3. This puts the Cavs right up there behind the Celtics and Pistons. Good good good trade for the Cavs.

Isn't this exactly where they were without making this deal? I don't get this trade at all. Ben Wallace is extremely overrated in my opinion. Wally Z can't play a lick of defense. Delonte West has gone way down since his Boston days. He couldn't even beat out Earl Watson for a starting spot. The question that I think they have to ask themselves is does this make them the best team in the East? I don't think the answer is yes. The interesting thing is that this year, they were the same Cavs that had beaten Detroit last year and were 2-1 against the Celtics this year. I would have liked a healthy Cavs team's chances against Detroit again this year and they have matched up very well with the Celtics. I don't think major moves like this were the right thing for them and getting Wallace's contract is going to hurt.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Isn't this exactly where they were without making this deal? I don't get this trade at all. Ben Wallace is extremely overrated in my opinion. Wally Z can't play a lick of defense. Delonte West has gone way down since his Boston days. He couldn't even beat out Earl Watson for a starting spot. The question that I think they have to ask themselves is does this make them the best team in the East? I don't think the answer is yes. The interesting thing is that this year, they were the same Cavs that had beaten Detroit last year and were 2-1 against the Celtics this year. I would have liked a healthy Cavs team's chances against Detroit again this year and they have matched up very well with the Celtics. I don't think major moves like this were the right thing for them and getting Wallace's contract is going to hurt.

[horseofcourse]

The trade was worth it simply for the opportunity to watch them suit up tonight with Kaniel Dickens, Billy Thomas, Dwayne Jones, Damon Jones, Eric Snow, Devin Brown, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, and LeBron James.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Isn't this exactly where they were without making this deal? I don't get this trade at all. Ben Wallace is extremely overrated in my opinion. Wally Z can't play a lick of defense. Delonte West has gone way down since his Boston days. He couldn't even beat out Earl Watson for a starting spot. The question that I think they have to ask themselves is does this make them the best team in the East? I don't think the answer is yes. The interesting thing is that this year, they were the same Cavs that had beaten Detroit last year and were 2-1 against the Celtics this year. I would have liked a healthy Cavs team's chances against Detroit again this year and they have matched up very well with the Celtics. I don't think major moves like this were the right thing for them and getting Wallace's contract is going to hurt.

Ben Wallace is overrated in what facet of the game? Defense or rebounding? Who thinks he can do more than that? With a 4 man rotation of him, Ilgaugaskas, Anderson V and Smith, he wont have to play big minutes and can go hard all the time. Wally Z is there strictly as a shooter which is something they needed. Delonte played himself into the dog house in Seattle but can play point and is a good 3 point shooter with a small contract that was basically a throw in. Everybody is forgetting Joe Smith. He is a big man that can score and is a better all around player than Gooden. Are you guys forgetting that they beat Detroit pretty much without Hughes? Are you forgetting that Hughes contract is just as outrageous as Wallaces except Wallace fits his role better than Hughes did in his? Just because they went to the Finals last year doesnt mean they didnt need to adjust. They were screwed by the cap before the trade and now they are screwed still but have better players with defined roles. I dont know how that makes this a bad deal for Cleveland. What I dont understand is Chicago's thinking.