Gomez

[justindew]

Not sure if this has been addressed. Apologies if it has.

Does anyone else think Gomez had Host and Octave way too far back today? I think Octave should have won, and Host may have won also.

In the interest of disclosure, I bet on both horses.

Also, I was surprised that A to the Croft was on the pace, although the addition of blinkers might have been a clue.

[docicu3]

Gomez won 4 races on the day. It's tough to question his tactics

[ArlJim78]

I don't. I think they finished as well as they did precisely because he had them far back, meaning that i believe that with different riding tactics they wouldn't have done any better, maybe worse.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Gomez won 4 races on the day. It's tough to question his tactics

To be honest, I don't find it hard to question his tactics at all considering Octave was 5 legths clear of the winner 50 yards past the wire.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Octave is a hanger.

She's run 2nd in 7 of her 12 career starts coming into today....and it looked like she was upset that Ginger Punch and Hystericalady wouldn't seperate enough so that she can pass one without running the risk of accidentally winning.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by justindew

To be honest, I don't find it hard to question his tactics at all considering Octave was 5 legths clear of the winner 50 yards past the wire.

I don't hold too much stock in the gallop out. Sometimes it can't be ignored, but in this case, I don't see it that way.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Octave is a hanger.

She's run 2nd in 7 of her 12 career starts coming into today....and it looked like she was upset that Ginger Punch and Hystericalady wouldn't seperate enough so that she can pass one without running the risk of accidentally winning.

Now that's funny!

--Dunbar

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Octave is a hanger.

She's run 2nd in 7 of her 12 career starts coming into today....and it looked like she was upset that Ginger Punch and Hystericalady wouldn't seperate enough so that she can pass one without running the risk of accidentally winning.

Funny and true!

I find the Gomez bashing on here to be even funnier.

[Danzig]

well, with bailey retired, someone had to step up and take the heat.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Funny and true!

I find the Gomez bashing on here to be even funnier.

I don't really feel like I am bashing Gomez. I just think Octave should have won.

[copying]

Just watched the Octave replay again. She got a dream trip. She saved all the ground, never had her momentum checked, and was coming with dead aim on the leaders at the head of the stretch..... just couldn't get there.

Octave couldn't pass Monmouth-loving Hysterical the way that Lute passed Monmouth-loving Idiot.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by justindew

I don't really feel like I am bashing Gomez. I just think Octave should have won.

I do too. In her wins she was put into the race far earlier than yesterday when Gomez choked her back. Maybe the plan was to take her back not to compromise Indian Vale. Who knows how far back Pletcher told Gomez to take her but It's hard to believe he told him to wrestle her down like he did. The way the race played out, IV quit after a 1/4 mile and Octave was too far out of it.

Whoever said Octave is a hanger is either basing that utterance off one race or just finding another reason to knock Pletcher.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well, with bailey retired, someone had to step up and take the heat.

lol well bailey was referred to as"skeletor" i wonder what nickname gomez will be given

[NoChanceToDance]

Upon first viewing i certainly thought he was too far back on Octave especially, but when viewing the race a couple of times since, he was actually in the best place possible. Many horses were getting in eachother's way in the group that was bunched up and it seems like many of the jocks made their moves far too early. The kickback was terrible. Gomez was probably in the best place pssible for a closer.

When i watched the race live, i was like "Octave would have won" but seeing it since, i agree with DrugS, Octave looks to be a hanger for me. She closed strongly to start with but in the final furlong she seemed to give in with her effort. Either she was tired or she didn't feel like going any further on her own. If there was a horse closing with her we might have seen a much closer finish.

Best two horses on the day finished first and second in this race.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I do too. In her wins she was put into the race far earlier than yesterday when Gomez choked her back. Maybe the plan was to take her back not to compromise Indian Vale. Who knows how far back Pletcher told Gomez to take her but It's hard to believe he told him to wrestle her down like he did. The way the race played out, IV quit after a 1/4 mile and Octave was too far out of it.

Whoever said Octave is a hanger is either basing that utterance off one race or just finding another reason to knock Pletcher.

I don't see anyway you can say he "strangled" her back, she was climbing like hell on the backstretch, thats what was causing her to fall back, never at any point was she being restrained to run in the back, read Pletchers quotes, she was hating the mud hitting her in the face, once she started to level off and start running she had an absolute dream trip, she just hung as she always does, she just likes to catch up to the other horses, not pass them.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I don't see anyway you can say he "strangled" her back, she was climbing like hell on the backstretch, thats what was causing her to fall back, never at any point was she being restrained to run in the back, read Pletchers quotes, she was hating the mud hitting her in the face, once she started to level off and start running she had an absolute dream trip, she just hung as she always does, she just likes to catch up to the other horses, not pass them.

I'm referring to the first 1/8 mile.

[IrishofNDMan]

Octave was one of my biggest plays of the day, dissapointing she couldn't get up. I don't think Gomez had her to far back. From watching the replay, I actually think Octave slowed down when she drew near the other horses, just my opinion.

[IrishofNDMan]

if I would have read this thread the point I just made was already talked about by Laharge.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Whoever said Octave is a hanger is either basing that utterance off one race or just finding another reason to knock Pletcher.

She hangs every race....even in the few she's won. She always look like a winner at the 3/16th pole, and more often than not in her career, she ends up finishing 2nd.

How is that knocking Pletcher? That should be a good explanation! It's Pletcher's fault the horse always looms boldly and never delivers the knockout punch in the final furlong?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I do too. In her wins she was put into the race far earlier than yesterday when Gomez choked her back. Maybe the plan was to take her back not to compromise Indian Vale. Who knows how far back Pletcher told Gomez to take her but It's hard to believe he told him to wrestle her down like he did. The way the race played out, IV quit after a 1/4 mile and Octave was too far out of it.

Whoever said Octave is a hanger is either basing that utterance off one race or just finding another reason to knock Pletcher.

What else would you call her then? Watch not only yesterday but every other race she has run. If there is one horse down the lane that she has to catch, then sometimes she is fine. If it is multiple horses, she will usually settle for a minor share.

Just look at the form or pull up the video. its rather obvious.