Circular Quay

[ArlJim78]

I know this one has been overly thrashed already, but I just saw this article today and I had to post it. Excerpt from an article on ESPN,

"Circular Quay was bred by Doreen Tabor and is owned by Michael Tabor, the Englishman who won the 1995 Kentucky Derby with Thunder Gulch. In no small part because Thunder Gulch has become a proven sire at longer distances, Tabor's employees and associates who traveled to Churchill for the Bashford Manor, led by Demi O'Byrne, were ecstatic with the results."

It looks like those of us that were gushing about the way he won Saturday were in pretty good company.

[blackthroatedwind]

You mean his owner and his employees liked him too????

Wow, he must be great.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You mean his owner and his employees liked him too????

Wow, he must be great.

I hear what you are saying...however, these guys aren't just any ownership group and the trip is a long one.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You mean his owner and his employees liked him too????

Wow, he must be great.

Yeah, they're always hyping their horses.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I hear what you are saying...however, these guys aren't just any ownership group and the trip is a long one.

I'm sure they didn't make the trip just to see Circular Quay.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Yeah, they're always hyping their horses.

I'm not getting into this here but you either sort of know about Coolmore or you just don't.

[dellinger63]

and you don't.
They were here for a shopping trip and to watch the World Cup on American soil. LOL

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and you don't.
They were here for a shopping trip and to watch the World Cup on American soil. LOL

That's a good one. I'm also sure they tempered their excitement and started to wring their hands when it came back an 83 beyer.

[dellinger63]

I might be ignorant but I give extra consideration to horses that close into a slow pace ie this one. Not speaking BC or Derby but CQ has impressed the hell out of me depite Andy Beyer.

[blackthroatedwind]

You think they aren't acutely aware that his numbers were mediocre?

If so, you have now called them stupid, and that is one thing they aren't.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I might be ignorant but I give extra consideration to horses that close into a slow pace ie this one. Not speaking BC or Derby but CQ has impressed the hell out of me depite Andy Beyer.

Now it was a slow pace? Please explain that in relation to the other six furlong races and their respective paces. You may also want to explain how the #1 horse closed from Lexington after getting completely left at the gate if the pace was indeed slow ( which it wasn't ).

By the way, I highly doubt any legitimate speed figures gave him a good number. Considering his ground saving trip I doubt Ragozin or Brown rated him particularly highly either.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

That's a good one. I'm also sure they tempered their excitement and started to wring their hands when it came back an 83 beyer.

How can anyone get hung up on the Beyer in July-good, bad, or ugly- of the 2yo season is beyond me. For the record, Thunder Gulch's (CQ's sire) first five races were Beyers of 69, 82,79,79,89. His numbers went up with distance, something that I would expect with this colt when he ran for the first time over a mile winning the Remsen.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I might be ignorant but I give extra consideration to horses that close into a slow pace ie this one. Not speaking BC or Derby but CQ has impressed the hell out of me depite Andy Beyer.

In dirt races, I do not think it's all that impressive to close into slow fractions, usually means that the competition was not good enough to keep going if the pace was slow, I think it's a negative. I do not really have an opinion either way on CQ yet, all that I can say is that he has not lost and it's hard to fault a winner....

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now it was a slow pace? Please explain that in relation to the other six furlong races and their respective paces. You may also want to explain how the #1 horse closed from Lexington after getting completely left at the gate if the pace was indeed slow ( which it wasn't ).

By the way, I highly doubt any legitimate speed figures gave him a good number. Considering his ground saving trip I doubt Ragozin or Brown rated him particularly highly either.

then bet against him with both hands next time out. That's why we have mutual pools.

[blackthroatedwind]

Of course I'm likely to bet against him, though I usually wait to make opinions on specific races until I've actually seen the pps and fields, but none of that has anything to do with you saying he closed into a slow pace which is absolutely inaccurate. You like this horse, fine, best of luck. But I think it would help if at least your reasons were based on truth.

I just hope the accountability police don't have to go on any far and wide searches if and when this horse tanks. I will be the first to admit I was wrong should he excel in the near future. I expect a little crow to be eaten should that not be the case. Funny I didn't see any of that from the posters who told me Keyed Entry, who I mocked, " should win ".

[dellinger63]

and Keyed entry after the FS race did what????

[dellinger63]

LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- Two-year-olds don't typically win early-season stakes with powerful inside rallies. But when Circular Quay prevailed that way Saturday in the Grade 3, $166,500 Bashford Manor Stakes at Churchill Downs, it was difficult not to believe the Thunder Gulch colt has an unlimited future.

Circular Quay, ridden by Rafael Bejarano, glided past four rivals in the final eighth of the six-furlong Bashford Manor, remaining unbeaten in two starts. The colt also won his only previous start, a June 15 maiden race at Churchill, in rallying fashion.

"I asked him, and in five jumps he was in the front," said Bejarano.

Circular Quay returned $4.40 as the favorite in a field of eight 2-year-olds. Shermanesque finished second, 1 1/4 lengths behind, followed by Run Alex Run and Teuflesberg. The winning time was 1:09.96 over a fast track.

Shermanesque, ridden by Brice Blanc, appeared to have the 105th Bashford Manor under control just inside the eighth pole when he surged past several rivals inside the eighth pole. But Circular Quay's late run was overpowering.

"I passed him very easily," said Bejarano, who won four other races Saturday.

Chace City, the 9-2 third choice, jumped the inside rail to lose all chance soon after the start, winding up sixth. Pegasus Wind, the 5-1 fourth choice for trainer D. Wayne Lukas, pressed the pace to midstretch before fading to fifth in his career debut.

Circular Quay was bred by Doreen Tabor and is owned by Michael Tabor, the Englishman who won the 1995 Kentucky Derby with Thunder Gulch. In no small part because Thunder Gulch has become a proven sire at longer distances, Tabor's employees and associates who traveled to Churchill for the Bashford Manor, led by Demi O'Byrne, were ecstatic with the results. Todd Pletcher is the trainer of Circular Quay.



and as far as accuracy police goes let whoever said this is Pletcher's 20th best 2 yr old post the 19 above him. LOL

[randallscott35]

Value Plus, anyone?....And I won money on him the other day.

You guys aren't the only ones that like Circular Quay. Gary Stevens on the bloodhorse


Wrightstown, NJ
If you could return to ride one horse currently running, who would it be?

Stevens
Two year old Circular Quay.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by boldruler

You guys aren't the only ones that like Circular Quay. Gary Stevens on the bloodhorse


Wrightstown, NJ
If you could return to ride one horse currently running, who would it be?

Stevens
Two year old Circular Quay.

Uh-oh, that's bad news for Circular Quay, the hypemaster himself has spoken. Wonder who he's going to compare CQ to, maybe Point Given, Thunder Gulch, Silver Charm, Rock Hard Ten or one of the other 50 horses that he's labeled as a "great" or "best horse he's ever ridden".