Anyone have any 2YOs they like?

[Kasept]

Maximus Ruler Update: 12/20 FG 1:00.60 (3/61)

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Zensational sold for 20k as a yearling and five and a half months later went for 700k.

Tiz Chrome RNA'd for 9k though man. I suppose the Zensational auction history is more strange, but it's hard to imagine a yearling from such a hot sire as Tiznow being able to RNA for so little and then turn out to be a good horse.

When you see these kind of low numbers at the sales, isn't the question less how fast they can run (because a lot of crooked horses can run fast), but how many times they will be able to run?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I'm sure there are a lot of geniuses who will disagree ... but I don't see anyway in hell how anyone can tell how fast a horse is at a yearling sale.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm sure there are a lot of geniuses who will disagree ... but I don't see anyway in hell how anyone can tell how fast a horse is at a yearling sale.

I sure as hell would rather buy a yearling instead of a 2yo in training horse that has been put through the ringer.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I sure as hell would rather buy a yearling instead of a 2yo in training horse that has been put through the ringer.

You're always taking a pretty complete stab in the dark with yearlings.

I bought 33.3% of a 2yo from a sale once - but with the intent of selling it right after racing it in a MSW race four or five weeks later. I'd never even consider buying a yearling.

You're at a built-in disadvantage buying from both kinds of sales.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're always taking a pretty complete stab in the dark with yearlings.

I bought 33.3% of a 2yo from a sale once - but with the intent of selling it right after racing it in a MSW race four or five weeks later. I'd never even consider buying a yearling.

You're at a built-in disadvantage buying from both kinds of sales.

I'd like to see how the top 20 out of each 2yo in training sale from 2009 have done.
I don't think there are many Hot Dixie Chicks out there.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The soon to be 2yo champ Lookin At Lucky was pretty high priced from KEE April's 2yo sale... the 2yo filly champ was peanuts from OBS April.

Look at the top 20's from most yearling sales and see how they match up. I don't know.

It's not something I pay much attention to. I mostly focus on the auctions looking for debut bet againsts and bets.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I'd like to see how the top 20 out of each 2yo in training sale from 2009 have done.
I don't think there are many Hot Dixie Chicks out there.

Top 20 from the Fasig Tipton Florida Sale:
1. Al Zir (bought for 1.6M)
2. Cornerstone
3. Rambling
4. Mr. Charlie
5. Pirate Queen
6. Unnamed (Distored Humor - Ile de France)
7. Sensei
8. Dreamingly
9. Yadua
10. Dawnbreak
11. Hockeley
12. Gun Rock
13. Mesa Vista
14. Hot Dixie Chick
15. A Shin Wezen
16. Electric Gold
17. American Story
18. Mendip
19. Speightful Lady
20. Deep Darkness
(22. is Walking the Beach)

The Top 20 from the '08 Kee Sept Yearling Sale
1. Chimayo (3.1M)
2. Asian Empress
3. Cable Knit
4. Keeneland Breeze
5. Alloonagh
6. Celebrity Cat
7. Crystal Moment
8. Global Force
9. Bakhoor
10. Lambeau Legend
11. Souper Spectacular
12. Alcindor
13. Super Express
14. Temp
15. Cast Call
16. Flag Ship
17. Arabian History
18. Antrim Shield
19. Wintor Canyon
20. Almarmooq

[VOL JACK]

So they all suck I guess.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Top 20 from the Fasig Tipton Florida Sale:
1. Al Zir (bought for 1.6M)
2. Cornerstone
3. Rambling
4. Mr. Charlie
5. Pirate Queen
6. Unnamed (Distored Humor - Ile de France)
7. Sensei
8. Dreamingly
9. Yadua
10. Dawnbreak
11. Hockeley
12. Gun Rock
13. Mesa Vista
14. Hot Dixie Chick
15. A Shin Wezen
16. Electric Gold
17. American Story
18. Mendip
19. Speightful Lady
20. Deep Darkness
(22. is Walking the Beach)

The Top 20 from the '08 Kee Sept Yearling Sale
1. Chimayo (3.1M)
2. Asian Empress
3. Cable Knit
4. Keeneland Breeze
5. Alloonagh
6. Celebrity Cat
7. Crystal Moment
8. Global Force
9. Bakhoor
10. Lambeau Legend
11. Souper Spectacular
12. Alcindor
13. Super Express
14. Temp
15. Cast Call
16. Flag Ship
17. Arabian History
18. Antrim Shield
19. Wintor Canyon
20. Almarmooq

Global Force is a freak show.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

So they all suck I guess.

At least with the 2 yo in training sale you're paying a lot less for it to suck.

09 Kee April 2yo training:
1. Take Control
2. Dickinson Bay
3. Lookin At Lucky
4. Devin Rock
5. Quiet Invader
6. Sure As Gold
7. Dave In Dixie
8. Bulldogger
9. Distored Vision
10. Middle of the Night
11. Lyrique
12. Ansonica
13. Inner Grove
14. Annies Melody
15. Nostalgic Bid
16. not named (street Cry - Isn't It Fun)
17. Academy Performance
18. Early Days
19. Lyrical Note
20. Bella Medaglia

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

So they all suck I guess.

You should see the top 20 from OBS June 2008... not a single one of them is any good - and about 18 or 19 of them could not win for 5K claiming.

[Indian Charlie]

al zir might be ok.

two big wins to start his career followed by a third in a g1 in europe.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

al zir might be ok.

two big wins to start his career followed by a third in a g1 in europe.

Why would you take a horse you pay $1.6 million for at a 2yo sale - that's sired by Medaglia D' Oro and is a half sibling to Midas Eyes ... and run him on turf in Europe?

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Why would you take a horse you pay $1.6 million for at a 2yo sale - that's sired by Medaglia D' Oro and is a half sibling to Midas Eyes ... and run him on turf in Europe?

I wonder why the euro's buy a lot of the pedigree's they do to race on grass.
When he was purchased, I would have bet a lot of that he would've stayed in America.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Why would you take a horse you pay $1.6 million for at a 2yo sale - that's sired by Medaglia D' Oro and is a half sibling to Midas Eyes ... and run him on turf in Europe?

I wouldn't.

But then again, I wouldn't employ any of their trainers or advisors either.

Perhaps they think having El Prado and Bayou Hebert as grandsires means turf?

When looking up Bayou Hebert, I found some interesting things about him. Mostly he wasn't worth his rather lofty sales price, but when looking up his progeny, I noticed this one pretty strangely bred horse:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/byo+flyer

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Maximus Ruler Update: 12/20 FG 1:00.60 (3/61)

125-1 today at Wynn Las Vegas so I played em

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Why would you take a horse you pay $1.6 million for at a 2yo sale - that's sired by Medaglia D' Oro and is a half sibling to Midas Eyes ... and run him on turf in Europe?

So you can further showcase the stallion that you purchased in early summer. If the Medaglia D'Oro's offspring can run on turf (and this one can along with Passion for Gold, who won the G1 Criterium de Saint-Cloud) then you open up his progeny to another sector of buyers and breeders. Makes him a truly international stallion.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Sounds like a really shrewd idea.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I wouldn't.

But then again, I wouldn't employ any of their trainers or advisors either.

Perhaps they think having El Prado and Bayou Hebert as grandsires means turf?

When looking up Bayou Hebert, I found some interesting things about him. Mostly he wasn't worth his rather lofty sales price, but when looking up his progeny, I noticed this one pretty strangely bred horse:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/byo+flyer

With that much Inbreeding, he had to be an Alabama bred.
How many legs did he have?