Anyone have any 2YOs they like?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

So far mentioned for the Malibu:

Misremembered
Papa Clem
Smart Bid
Kinsella
Join In The Dance

I would guess M One Rifle, Chocolate Candy, Massone, Quindici Man, Acclimation, Viscount and Square Eddie might have it on the radar.

After the Damascus, I thought Smart Bid would be the horse to beat in the Malibu. But I kept checking the work tab and he didn't have any works so I assumed he had gotten hurt. Now I see that he just started working again, so I assume he will run in the Malibu.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Coronet of a Baron in there. I think that Monolingual is even a possibility. It will be interesting to see if Hunch ends up running. It would be a fairly tall order to come back in 15 days. But I do know that the connections were pointing him for the race. It will probably just depend how he came out of the allowance race the other day.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

After the Damascus, I thought Smart Bid would be the horse to beat in the Malibu. But I kept checking the work tab and he didn't have any works so I assumed he had gotten hurt. Now I see that he just started working again, so I assume he will run in the Malibu.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Coronet of a Baron in there. I think that Monolingual is even a possibility. It will be interesting to see if Hunch ends up running. It would be a fairly tall order to come back in 15 days. But I do know that the connections were pointing him for the race. It will probably just depend how he came out of the allowance race the other day.

It's not unlike Motion at all to wait 4 weeks to work a horse after a big race.
He seems to prefer to train them instead of racing them.
Especially since he just ran big at SA and the G1 Malibu is at SA.
If I was Smart Bid's trainer I would be tempted to take down one of the 4 horse fields at HWP to fill the time gap.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

It's not unlike Motion at all to wait 4 weeks to work a horse after a big race.
He seems to prefer to train them instead of racing them.
Especially since he just ran big at SA and the G1 Malibu is at SA.
If I was Smart Bid's trainer I would be tempted to take down one of the 4 horse fields at HWP to fill the time gap.

In this case, you wouldn't think that Smart Bid would have needed a break after that race. He hadn't run since April. The Damascus was his first race in over 7 months. It doesn't surprise me that Motion would have skipped Hollywood. There weren't really any great races for him over there. But it does surprise me that he didn't work the horse for 4 1/2 weeks after the Damascus. As I said, that was his first race in 7 months. If the horse came out of the race in good shape, wouldn't that be unusual for Motion to wait that long for a work considering that the horse was so fresh going into the Damascus?

[VOL JACK]

Motion is somewhat different when it comes works and spacing of works and races.
I read on his blog that Smart Bid was being pointed for the Malibu or the Sir Beaufort on the same day. I don't take that as a huge vote of confidence.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Motion is somewhat different when it comes works and spacing of works and races.
I read on his blog that Smart Bid was being pointed for the Malibu or the Sir Beaufort on the same day. I don't take that as a huge vote of confidence.

I agree with you. That is very surpising that he would even be considering the Sir Beaufort. The horse just ran his best race ever at 7 furlongs at Santa Anita. Now he has a chance to win a Grade I at the same distance at the same track. He is by Smart Strike. A Grade I win would be huge for his value. If the horse is doing well, it seems like a no brainer to run in the Malibu.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with you. That is very surpising that he would even be considering the Sir Beaufort. The horse just ran his best race ever at 7 furlongs at Santa Anita. Now he has a chance to win a Grade I at the same distance at the same track. He is by Smart Strike. A Grade I win would be huge for his value. If the horse is doing well, it seems like a no brainer to run in the Malibu.

Before the Damascus, Smart Bid's synthetic form was suspect at best (hence the long odds). On the other hand, he has a very good turf record, including a graded stakes placing, so I would say its a no-brainer that he'd be nominated for both even though Motion is probably leaning to the Malibu.

In addition, you never know what the weather is going to be like, the Sir Beaufort could easily come off-the-turf (Gio Ponti's synthetic win) making it likely an easier score than the Malibu.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Before the Damascus, Smart Bid's synthetic form was suspect at best (hence the long odds). On the other hand, he has a very good turf record, including a graded stakes placing, so I would say its a no-brainer that he'd be nominated for both even though Motion is probably leaning to the Malibu.

In addition, you never know what the weather is going to be like, the Sir Beaufort could easily come off-the-turf (Gio Ponti's synthetic win) making it likely an easier score than the Malibu.

I agree with you that his synthetic form was not good before the Damascus but all of these synthetic tracks are slightly different from each other and he obviously loved the track at Santa Anita. That was the best race he ever ran. Before the Damascus, I would have never guessed that this horse would run his best race at 7 furlongs. I think 7 furlongs at Santa Anita plays more like a mile because that track is fairly tiring and doesn't seem to favor speed.

If he is doing well right now, I would think he would be the horse to beat in the Malibu. That's why it surprises me that they would consider the other race.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If he is doing well right now, I would think he would be the horse to beat in the Malibu. That's why it surprises me that they would consider the other race.

Well, we don't really know what sort of emphasis was placed on the "...or the Sir Beaufort" part of the quote, but nonetheless, it wouldn't be shocking to learn that he (and several other horses, eg Fiesty Suances) are nominated to both races. I don't think it really means anything in terms of his current condition (I would suspect Motion wouldn't run in either race if he isn't in top form).

Because the Malibu (as are most other 7f races) is quite friendly to route horses and the seemingly inherent affinity for synthetic surfaces exploited by turf horses, I would guess it will be standard practice among CA horsemen to nominate late season 3yos to both races in the future (so long as the synthetics stay put, anyways).

In recent years, these horses have run in either the Malibu or the Sir Beaufort. I suspect several of these were nominated to both, and I don't think it outlandish to think they couldn't have been contenders in the race other than the one they competed in:

Colonel John, El Gato Malo, Orientate, Medjool, Awesome Gem, In Summation, Mizzen Mast, Monterey Jazz, Mast Track, Buzzard's Bay, Lava Man, Osidy, Wilko, Shamoan, Spring At Last, Arson Squad, Desert Code, and Unusual Suspect.

[RolloTomasi]

For those interested, CD maiden winner Tiz Chrome makes his debut for Bob Baffert Saturday in the Stuka Stakes at HP. Noticeably absent is stablemate Conveyance, who also passed on the Futurity and hasn't breezed in over 10 days.

[richard]

I see 2 yr old colt Harvath won his debut at Laurel on Thursday. What struck me is that he has Ole Bob Bowers, sire of John Henry, in his pedigree. That is a rare pleasure to behold.

[RolloTomasi]

Tiz Chrome crushed today, getting 6.5f in 1:14+ over a track playing very fast. Showed some ability to settle as well, after having gone wire-to-wire in his debut at CD.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Tiz Chrome crushed today, getting 6.5f in 1:14+ over a track playing very fast. Showed some ability to settle as well, after having gone wire-to-wire in his debut at CD.

Why did this horse RNA for so little?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Why did this horse RNA for so little?

Must have some identifiable physical issue. I wouldn't be surprised if more than just Baffert went after the colt and ended up backing out after inspection.

Similar situation to The Pamplemousse last year. Predictably, he didn't last long. But he did make some noise.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Q.I. is a nice horse. Baffert has a monster named Tiz Chrome. Remember this name.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, that was apparently an emotional question for you to answer based on your next post.

Had I known you thought I was calling you a liar, I'd have phrased my question more delicately.

You didn't answer my other questions though. Namely, what do you see in this horse, or know about him, that makes you so high on his future?

Any other questions related to this topic?
1:08 2/5 for 6f!!!!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Any other questions related to this topic?
1:08 2/5 for 6f!!!!

To be fair, Baffert's 2 maiden winners, Clutch Player and Quiet Invader, clocked 6f in 1:08+ as well.

Tiz Chrome still has a long way to go.

At least he's got a dirt win, though.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Any other questions related to this topic?
1:08 2/5 for 6f!!!!

Yeah, nice call.

I still just would like to know what you saw in him that made you so high on the horse.

It wasn't a sarcastic question at all.

[Diver67]

I could be wrong, but I think both Lookin and Lucky and Zensational either sold or were RNA'd for peanuts as yearlings. Sometimes horses change a lot, fast. Anyway, Tiz Chrome is now my favorite soon to be 3yo. LOVE all that chrome.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Why did this horse RNA for so little?

I don't know why he sold for so little as a yearling. I heard the purchase price after his maiden win was $600k.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Diver67

I could be wrong, but I think both Lookin and Lucky and Zensational either sold or were RNA'd for peanuts as yearlings. Sometimes horses change a lot, fast. Anyway, Tiz Chrome is now my favorite soon to be 3yo. LOVE all that chrome.

Yeah, LAL RNA'd for 35k as a yearling. Seven months later he went for 475k.

Zensational sold for 20k as a yearling and five and a half months later went for 700k.

Tiz Chrome RNA'd for 9k though man. I suppose the Zensational auction history is more strange, but it's hard to imagine a yearling from such a hot sire as Tiznow being able to RNA for so little and then turn out to be a good horse.