Discreet Cat's Beyer was a 115

[Revolution]

He got a 115. I find it hard to believe it was only a 115 but the Beyer figures which I used to think were really good are proving to be useless anyway.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Revolution

He got a 115. I find it hard to believe it was only a 115 but the Beyer figures which I used to think were really good are proving to be useless anyway.

Yes, I expected a bit higher than that, an outdated handicapping tool I guess

[NoCarolinaTony]

No - the track was playing fast and that he factored in the track variant for the day as previously mentioned by Mr Oracle, which resulted in a lower Beyer than expected. I'm guessing he has the number pretty close to being right , adjusted for variant. I am sure the other speedfigure people will also do something similar.

NC Tony

[Danzig]

that's actually a pretty good number. they can't all run 120's, 125's! and as has been stated, the track itself was playing very fast. remsen was the fastest in almost 30 years. beyer figures are supposed to take things like that into consideration.
now if he ran a hole in the wind, and no one else, than yes, his beyer should have been much higher.

[Revolution]

Guess it is actually a 116. Not much difference. Pretty impressive because unlike those deceptive Bernardini efforts where it looks like he was jogging but may have been going all out, there clearly was a little more in the tank of Discreet Cat. Amazing for a 3yr old. Not too many undefeated horses around any longer.

[Zaf]

The times in the first couple of races on the card were faster than normal. So I guess he adjusted for a race track that was playing faster than normal.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How was there clearly more in the tank, were you riding Discreet Cat? This is getting to be funny.

Oh Lord, DaHoss this is the same guy that lectured us about more being in Bern's tank because of so called hand rides.
Will say this just one more time, because obviously some people don't get it yet.
On a car trip 13 years ago I was listening to a Ragozin seminar on audio tape(I know many and most here use Thorograph, and I'm sure jerry Brown has done the same study, but since I have never heard it I am using Rag semianr I DID hear as point of story), Friedman was the guy doing it and I don't remember much else of teh tape but one thing really stuck and resinated with me that I've used with great success since then in asessing races. I, also, used to watch horses win "eased up" or under hand rides, and say and beleive that the horse would run even faster when pushed.
The Ragozin guys did a study and found that almost all horse ran lifetime tops in these "easy wins". It was a total fallacy that when "pushed" they would run faster.
Easy wins ar a result of optimimum energy distribution, being able to run at the speed you wanna run and moving when you wanna move.
Dc ran a great race yesterday, but he had an ideal setup and was asked to run the last part and thats when he spurted away impressively.
To me the tank was fuilly used, he wasn't going any faster than he did, which is quite fast enough to beat just about anybody in training. But to say he could have gone faster and wasn't used is a joke.