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Old 06-06-2009, 08:02 PM
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Anyone else questioning the fractions for the Belmont? Based on the times listed in the chart Mine that Bird went from the mile to the mile and a quarter point in about 22.92. I find that hard to believe and if it is the case it was one of the all time butcher riding jobs by Borel.
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:04 PM
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Anyone else questioning the fractions for the Belmont? Based on the times listed in the chart Mine that Bird went from the mile to the mile and a quarter point in about 22.92. I find that hard to believe and if it is the case it was one of the all time butcher riding jobs by Borel.
Even if the times are wrong it was still a butcher job by Borel.
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:07 PM
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Even if the times are wrong it was still a butcher job by Borel.
No doubt, I'm just trying to establish if it was in all time worst ride category. If those fractions are true then Mine the Bird is one hell of a horse.
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:12 PM
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No doubt, I'm just trying to establish if it was in all time worst ride category. If those fractions are true then Mine the Bird is one hell of a horse.
What is amazing to me is that all anyone talked about was how closers can't make a premature move, yet the jockies on the favorite repeat the mistake every year.
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Old 06-06-2009, 09:25 PM
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It was obviously premature.

I don't think quite as bad as what we the viewer will see first watching...
Borel thought he had more horse and was overconfident, and he also had to consider not only riding to measure Dunkirk, but any other rivals.

I think he should have been a clear 2nd here. There was no reason to let Dunkirk beat him. I don't think he would have beaten Summer Bird.
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Old 06-06-2009, 09:30 PM
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Borel said the horse was overeager, and he had to make the choice to throttle him back and fight him or let him cruise a little up the backstretch, he chose cruise.

The trainer said, "Yup, that's what the horse has done in the past unsuccessfully" and "that's racing, Calvin did a great job".
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Old 06-06-2009, 09:34 PM
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The horse was rank and the track was lightning fast.

I know how the ride looked, and naked it looked like a poor ride, but I didn't have a big problem with it at all knowing the horse.

It's not like he could have strangulated the horse down for 11 furlongs and let him go and got this big burst. The grinders in the race were Summer Bird and Chocolate Candy.

Mine That Bird was up close to a wicked fast pace at Sunland and loafed home. He's no grinder. He's a horse who has a ton of early speed - but won't finish when you use it - or has no early speed at all for a half mile and will take off.

In his two good races .. both at shorter distances ... he got a ton of pace to work with and had horses stopping in front of him.
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