KnS 4-1 entries

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GPK

I didnt look at the PP's before the race...but I think the mistake people made on the winner was seeing that she broke her maiden for 25K and was moved "up in class" to 50K. There really is no such thing as a 50K claimer at Tampa. No one in their right mind...IMO...would claim a horse for 50K at Tampa. I think this class (50kN2L) is written at Tampa basically for trainers that feel their horses aren't strong enough for ALX, but don't want to run them for a cheap tag and risk losing them. The majority of the horses in that race today are realistically 20-30K claimers.

Easy to say after the fact and I am sure to catch some sh*t, but the winning horse made sense today. A nice ground saving trip from Montalvo didn't hurt either.

Just my VMFHO

REMIND Me to slap you upside the head with the biggest redboard of all time. YOU KNOW BETTER then this crap...

[31lengths]

Originally Posted by Heels1989

Leo, as always great pics. And big thanks to you, your mom and dad, Bigs and Rudeboyelvis (Dan) for being our great hosts. Tough day for KnS but still a great time for the DTers.

Thanks Dave. Always a pleasure hangin' with you and the crew.
Hopefully she'll bounce back after some rest.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

?vmf?

Very Motha F*cking Humble Opinion

[Payson Dave]

I was gonna guess something pretty close to that.....but it coulda been Very Mind Fu<ked humble opinion

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Scav

REMIND Me to slap you upside the head with the biggest redboard of all time. YOU KNOW BETTER then this crap...

Just because the horse you tagged as "um no" won...don't get mad at me.

If you think its redboarding, fine. I was just pointing out what I saw that made sense to me....albeit after the fact.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GPK

Just because the horse you tagged as "um no" won...don't get mad at me.

If you think its redboarding, fine. I was just pointing out what I saw that made sense to me....albeit after the fact.

^^^ Brain must be malfunctioned because he actually committed the cardinal sin of horse racing message boarding

[Payson Dave]

very mind fu<ked

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Scav

^^^ Brain must be malfunctioned because he actually committed the cardinal sin of horse racing message boarding

I didn't pick the horse to win. There were a couple others in the race that would have been logical winners as well. Im just stating she made sense.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

looks like someone got out of school to go to the track
again!

Yes they did. Missed you yesterday Wing.

No holiday Scav, that was a straight yank out of school. It's only K and Pre-K for them, not like they are learning how to split an atom. Like Heels said, they'll learn more at the track than they will in school.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by GPK

Just because the horse you tagged as "um no" won...don't get mad at me.

If you think its redboarding, fine. I was just pointing out what I saw that made sense to me....albeit after the fact.

Therein lies the rub...

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Therein lies the rub...

I'm just enjoying getting him riled up more than usual lately. Notice he shut up after you agreed with me about Velez being better than Centeno on the grass.

[TheSpyder]

Originally Posted by Heels1989

Leo, as always great pics. And big thanks to you, your mom and dad, Bigs and Rudeboyelvis (Dan) for being our great hosts. Tough day for KnS but still a great time for the DTers.

A great one day vacation. It was great meeting everyone and as Heels and others said, many thanks to our hosts. Great seats & a great time.

One thing I did learn....Bigs & Heels totally dispelled the drinking and gambling don't mix theory and should have joined in earlier. Next time I'll just give my money to them to bet. Hungarian Gent...damn...finally took Bigs advise but went to the other firster.

As Steve said we have California, Mass, SC, Florida, VA, NY represented. AM I missing anyone? I'm sure Steve will follow with his usual report.

Movies to follow.....

Spyder

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Yes they did. Missed you yesterday Wing.

No holiday Scav, that was a straight yank out of school. It's only K and Pre-K for them, not like they are learning how to split an atom. Like Heels said, they'll learn more at the track than they will in school.

1) What the hell is Pre-K?

2) They should have the math skills of a 3rd grader by now.....

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GPK

I'm just enjoying getting him riled up more than usual lately. Notice he shut up after you agreed with me about Velez being better than Centeno on the grass.

I didn't shut up hilarious guy, I am quiet because I can't even respond to the utter stupidity of Velez being better then Centeno, at anything.

Centeno needs to bring his ass to Arlington and ride her this summer, the first month with him riding should bring me and some others an armored truck with bags o' cash....

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Scav

1) What the hell is Pre-K?

2) They should have the math skills of a 3rd grader by now.....

1) Pre-school. Pre-Kindergarten. One is in Pre-K and the other is in Kindergarten.

2) Math skills are getting better. When my oldest goes with me on weekends, she gets her own program and picks her own horses. $2 win bets. She has turned a profit 3 of the last 4 times she's been to the track. It's pure luck, but you never know....

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Scav

I didn't shut up hilarious guy, I am quiet because I can't even respond to the utter stupidity of Velez being better then Centeno, at anything.

Centeno needs to bring his ass to Arlington and ride her this summer, the first month with him riding should bring me and some others an armored truck with bags o' cash....

Scavs, he better hope that he can convince Jamie Ness to go with him, and bring his mounts along.
Centeno's numbers are grossly over inflated based on Ness' 40%+ win rate. Believe me, it ain't the jock.

Rosemary is head and shoulders better than him, she rides to the wire EVERY time....If DC feels like he can't win he flat gives up on the horse, never even vying for a place position. He's an owner's nightmare and a lot of trainers won't use him because of this. I'd like to see what he can do in Arlington Park - I have as pretty strong suspicion that he'll get eaten alive.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Scavs, he better hope that he can convince Jamie Ness to go with him, and bring his mounts along.
Centeno's numbers are grossly over inflated based on Ness' 40%+ win rate. Believe me, it ain't the jock.

Rosemary is head and shoulders better than him, she rides to the wire EVERY time....If DC feels like he can't win he flat gives up on the horse, never even vying for a place position. He's an owner's nightmare and a lot of trainers won't use him because of this. I'd like to see what he can do in Arlington Park - I have as pretty strong suspicion that he'll get eaten alive.

Dan...You are an astute race watcher...especially at Tampa. Who is better on the grass there, Centeno or Velez?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GPK

Dan...You are an astute race watcher...especially at Tampa. Who is better on the grass there, Centeno or Velez?

a million of you Tampa bozos could tell me that Velez is better then Centeno and I AINT LISTENING. Complete and utter insanity.

Ness will be at Arlington this summer, he has only invaded before, but he has stalls at Hawthorne, which makes me think he is enroute to Arlington.

Bigs, is Pre-K the trendy thing to call it now? I went to friggin Pre-school, not pre-k...

Forget that she can add, turning a profit is the most important math equation...

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by GPK

Dan...You are an astute race watcher...especially at Tampa. Who is better on the grass there, Centeno or Velez?

Sorry Tom, Velez is better on the turf:

Tampa Bay Downs Standings - Through April 1, 2008

Turf Course Jockeys

Name Starts 1st 2nd 3rd Win% ITM%
Daniel Centeno 114 25 20 15 21.9 52.6
Jose A. Velez, Jr. 104 25 13 12 24.0 48.1
Carlos Montalvo 94 14 11 15 14.9 42.6
Rosemary B. Homeister, Jr. 85 12 15 9 14.1 42.4
Dean P. Butler 59 7 4 6 11.9 28.8
Pablo Morales 63 5 9 12 7.9 41.3
Luis A. Gonzalez 61 5 8 12 8.2 41.0
Jose C. Ferrer 32 5 4 2 15.6 34.4
Joseph Rocco, Jr. 24 5 3 1 20.8 37.5
Pedro L. Cotto, Jr. 39 5 2 6 12.8 33.3
Tammi Piermarini 51 4 7 4 7.8 29.4
Ronald D. Allen, Jr. 27 4 3 2 14.8 33.3
Juan D. Lopez 28 3 4 2 10.7 32.1
Willie Martinez 46 3 4 1 6.5 17.4
Jose E. Lopez 21 3 1 0 14.3 19.0
Mike Allen 22 2 2 2 9.1 27.3
Federico Mata 38 2 2 2 5.3 15.8
Jesse J. Garcia 19 2 2 1 10.5 26.3
Irwin J. Rosendo 20 2 1 2 10.0 25.0
David Cardoso 16 2 1 1 12.5 25.0
Clifford D. Dooley 37 2 0 3 5.4 13.5
Cornelio H. Velasquez 4 2 0 1 50.0 75.0
Daniel Coa 4 2 0 0 50.0 50.0
Tom G. Turner 11 2 0 0 18.2 18.2
Jose R. Martinez, Jr. 32 1 4 2 3.1 21.9
Yamil Rosario 29 1 2 0 3.4 10.3
David D. Amiss 28 1 1 2 3.6 14.3
Rafael Medina, Jr. 9 1 1 1 11.1 33.3
Regina Sealock 5 1 1 0 20.0 40.0
Edgar S. Prado 1 1 0 0 100.0 100.0
Jose Lezcano 2 1 0 0 50.0 50.0
John R. Velazquez 3 1 0 0 33.3 33.3
Andrew R. Ramgeet 51 0 5 11 0.0 31.4
Luis R. Rivera, Jr. 12 0 3 0 0.0 25.0
Vernon Bush 22 0 2 5 0.0 31.8
Huber Villa-Gomez 31 0 2 3 0.0 16.1
Pedro Gonzalez 18 0 2 2 0.0 22.2
Ernesto Oro 6 0 2 1 0.0 50.0
Winston A. Thompson 39 0 1 6 0.0 17.9
Dante Scocca 2 0 1 1 0.0 100.0
Wilmer Galviz 5 0 1 1 0.0 40.0
Charles W. Forrest 9 0 1 1 0.0 22.2
Craig P. Faine 12 0 1 1 0.0 16.7
Cecilio Penalba 2 0 1 0 0.0 50.0
Hector Q. Rodriguez 3 0 1 0 0.0 33.3
Eibar Coa 4 0 1 0 0.0 25.0
Deudis Pena-Mora 9 0 1 0 0.0 11.1
Janio Cruz 11 0 1 0 0.0 9.1
Chin C. Yang 8 0 0 2 0.0 25.0
Travis L. Dunkelberger 1 0 0 1 0.0 100.0
Garrett K. Gomez 2 0 0 1 0.0 50.0
Hector Salazar 6 0 0 1 0.0 16.7
Tamay B. Alpander 2 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Sergio Banda 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Kerry Bryan 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Omar Camejo 3 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Kendry Castillo 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Jorge F. Chavez 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Alfredo Clemente 17 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Emanuel Cosme 5 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Chris Creary 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Manoel R. Cruz 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Braulio Fernandez 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Enrique Garcia 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Luis A. Garcia 3 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Wesley Henry, Sr. 8 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Angel Iturrez 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Gilberto Laiz 2 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Robert C. Landry 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Gerardo Martin 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Glenmore W. Mayhew 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Jean C. Medina 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Sally Mitchellhill 2 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Jorge A. Monserrate, Jr. 6 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Pedro Monterrey, Jr. 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Leroy Nelson 5 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Eduardo O. Nunez 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Luca Panici 2 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Camilo D. Pitty 2 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Martin R. Ramirez 4 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Jose L. Rivera, Jr. 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Jeffrey Sanchez 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Elvis Trujillo 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Sorry Tom, Velez is better on the turf:

Tampa Bay Downs Standings - Through April 1, 2008

Turf Course Jockeys

Name Starts 1st 2nd 3rd Win% ITM%
Daniel Centeno 114 25 20 15 21.9 52.6
Jose A. Velez, Jr. 104 25 13 12 24.0 48.1

Same amount of wins, ok, but 7 more 2nds, and 3 more 3rds, and his the board at almost 5% more, so how does your argument where he quits riding when he can't win hold water?

Velez ALSO gets the benefit of riding the nut Clement horses and Proctor horses. I COULD WIN RACES ON THESE Horses at Tampa. You put Centeno on these horses and he is winning at 30% on the lawn.